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In reply to the discussion: More surgical "woo." Gynecological surgeons added this procedure to their repertoire [View all]VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)26. No they are not....I just replied with the appropriate response from that doctor
"placebo effect" and "the jury is still out"
Acupuncture is not proven "not woo".
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More surgical "woo." Gynecological surgeons added this procedure to their repertoire [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2014
OP
My definition of woo means that it hasn't been proven to be effective beyond a placebo effect.
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#47
It was safe and effective for MOST people...it DID what it was designed to do...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#53
All the studies published in the Archives of Internal Medicine are peer-reviewed science.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#92
No and studies that show it is no more effective than the Placebo Effect
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#94
NO saying it HAS NOT been proven any more effective than the placebo effect....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#108
I agree with you. This is an "antiquated surgical technique," not woo--rather like the old
MADem
Apr 2014
#60
that may well be true.....I have no idea....but I know that removing the uterii when the patient
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#71
It is woo in the sense that it is a medical treatment not based on scientific evidence
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#99
Chopping those things out, for many years, was the safest and most effective option short
MADem
Apr 2014
#104
It isn't antiquated, and it was put into widespread use despite the lack of evidence-
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#98
It is antiquated--the preferred methodology now is ablation or embolization--no cutting at all. nt
MADem
Apr 2014
#105
Some dentists still use those silver fillings, but they're not the optimal way of filling a tooth
MADem
Apr 2014
#110
There's no way to know how many ablations are done--it could be double that number.
MADem
Apr 2014
#114
The point is that the procedure has been in use for decades without research backing it up.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#118
That's a important point. Why did it take so long for these problems to be acted on?
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#178
They listen to industry, only when the lies and omissions of the businesses are laid bare...
Jesus Malverde
Apr 2014
#179
Probably because some people think woo or pseudoscience are just general epithets
NuclearDem
Apr 2014
#7
You just did. Your own link says its use is evidence-based for dental pain and nausea. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#20
but they weren't convinced it was any more effective than a placebo....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#21
No they are not....I just replied with the appropriate response from that doctor
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#26
Results are mixed on acupuncture, but the 29 studies of 18,000 subjects analyzed in
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#28
Acupuncture, like a number of accepted drugs, has an unknown mechanism of action.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#97
It is woo because it was promoted and used as a treatment without the scientific
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#10
Do you also have a problem with Scientific American and all the scientific journals
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#112
No I did....the fact that YOU are comparing the results of SSRI's to acupuncture says it all...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#61
but hasn't been proven more effective than to make people THINK they received the treatment
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#109
Yes, it has been shown to be more effective in many studies. And since it is so much safer than
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#116
I see the woo aspect. A procedure was used without testing, on faith alone, without proof of its
Squinch
Apr 2014
#8
The original intent of removing the tumors was to prevent their spread. The method they used on
Squinch
Apr 2014
#135
It's not enough to be "effective" if it isn't proven safe, too. As your example demonstrates. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#39
Woo is about treating medical conditions in the absence of scientific research showing
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#42
You don't get it. It wasn't proven effective or safe BEFORE it came into wide use.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#40
No lets not....there is woo and there are scientifically proven procedures determined NOT to be
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#46
the above is a device designed to do a procedure PREVIOUSLY done by hand
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#65
Exactly. And morcellation has proven NOT to be a scientifically proven procedure.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#102
No as been told to you over and over and over again....it DID its intended job.....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#107
Wow! Questions of "woo" aside, I'm feeling good about my big ol' myomectomy scar right now.
Coventina
Apr 2014
#66
Oh so throw the baby out with the bathwater because SOME are not ethical?
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#139
Because "unethical" doctors and scientists are as big a source of Woo as snake oil salesmen
intaglio
Apr 2014
#161
If there is no evidence to support a treatment it fulfills the definition of Woo
intaglio
Apr 2014
#168
I am saying that there has to be evidence of effect and evidence of method of action
intaglio
Apr 2014
#170
Some surgeries are no more effective than placebo, but are widely performed. Example:
Squinch
Apr 2014
#138
Oh come on....surgery is NOT woo....no matter how much the Woo propagandists
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#140
But the SURGERY is NOT more effective than placebo. But you say that the surgery simply isn't woo.
Squinch
Apr 2014
#143
Will you PLEASE read the links? We are not talking about a single surgery. We are talking
Squinch
Apr 2014
#152
It means that that type of surgery is woo, according to your definition. And I can show you studies
Squinch
Apr 2014
#155
bloodletting is woo....so what....it still doesn't make the whole thing woo
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#156
But it does make THAT type of surgery woo. And it is performed about 700,000 times per year.
Squinch
Apr 2014
#154
If the use of, say, Bella donna for migraines is woo, how is that different from the use of
Squinch
Apr 2014
#137
Please - seriously? Take a procedure for WOMEN through rigorous investigation
IdaBriggs
Apr 2014
#136