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AverageJoe90

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42. There's nothing TO deny. That's the problem, TBH.

Reply to Raine1967 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:53 PM

Apr 2014

You can acknowledge that disparities still exist in American society without going into this whole "white privilege" weirdness.

Also, think about this for a second: the word "privilege" in and of itself implies, whether intentionally or not, that a group enjoys benefits above and beyond a norm. But have "white" people ever been anything but the "norm" in this country? That is to say, have "whites" ever been anything but the majority in America? The answer to both is obvious, TBH: no. It never has been.

Now, to be fair, we could theoretically probably make exceptions for countries such as South Africa, for instance, in which both the most common cultures and most numerous people were Black(so they were part of the norm, and not "whites", in S.A.'s case.): "Whites" were never the majority at any time.
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A Tale of Two Mothers in America in a Post Racial Society [View all] sheshe2 Apr 2014 OP

Butbutbut... talking about "privilege" isn't helpful because it makes white people uncomfortable! nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #1

It's not helpful because it has FAILED to educate the public. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #12

So how the hell else are we supposed to frame the issue in a simple, understandable way? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #43

"And simply ignoring racial inequalities is not an option." That is true, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #46

Okay, fair enough. But I see no reason to abandon a perfectly valid concept just because nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #53

I don't think this supports the position you have been arguing here. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #137

Democrats might lose elections if we discuss this! boston bean Apr 2014 #95

Never knew we on DU had so much power over national politics. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #99

I will be more than happy to have a discussion on race AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #114

Much as calling racism useful for certain people is also quite useful for certain people... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #161

True. And, by the way..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #174

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #2

so wrong BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #3

Where was Leonard Smalls when you really needed him? VScott Apr 2014 #4

Not a highway. Igel Apr 2014 #5

What does this post mean? brush Apr 2014 #6

First sheshe2 Apr 2014 #7

Wow!!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2014 #9

What neighborhood was it ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #10

Says 45th Ave and Cholla in the linked local story. sweetloukillbot Apr 2014 #147

Yeah, pretty much, sadly.(I disagree re: the marijuana thing, though) AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #15

Yes Ma'lik Richmond was convicted ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #126

My mistake. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #129

It's understandable. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #132

Fail. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #21

Normally I'd agree with you, but.....I'm afraid it's not about "white privilege".... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #8

B.S., Your denying that white privilege exists ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #13

Your belief in literal "white privilege" doesn't make it factual, amigo. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #16

Not MY belief ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #18

..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #20

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #34

"Keyword is OPINION." sheshe2 Apr 2014 #35

"Yet your 'OPINION" stands!" Clarify, please? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #39

Clarification sheshe2 Apr 2014 #55

Okay, never mind. That's what I meant. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #59

Kind of like the Climate change "change "Debate", huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #94

White privilege exists. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #28

Hola Amigo! Raine1967 Apr 2014 #30

There's nothing TO deny. That's the problem, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #42

What's "weird" about it? And it's not so much about tangible benefits, as all the bad things nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #44

See my other response. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #47

Privilege, in this context, is used to describe a social inequality. herding cats Apr 2014 #74

your argument makes no sense RainDog Apr 2014 #105

.... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #106

Norm RainDog Apr 2014 #107

You misread me again. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #108

American society is racist RainDog Apr 2014 #116

I have plenty of understanding, thank you. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #118

where are your studies that indicate RainDog Apr 2014 #119

I don't need any studies, btw. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #120

here ya go RainDog Apr 2014 #122

"that's just a quick look to demonstrate that racism is currently an issue in American society"..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #125

I am going to assume RainDog Apr 2014 #130

"Trolling"? Not really, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #134

LOL RainDog Apr 2014 #135

Your choice, I suppose. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #144

for old time's sake, Joe RainDog Apr 2014 #146

And Dr. Avakian has every right to her viewpoint, as you and I do. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #150

It's a term that derives from academia RainDog Apr 2014 #155

How old are you? U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #148

23. But I'm kinda smart beyond my years..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #151

With all those ears of experience, how could anyone question your wisdom? U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #153

Did you read the rest of my reply? nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #154

... RainDog Apr 2014 #160

And more objective, and have more knowledge of this than the academics... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #162

Woman on the right didn't get any sentence yet. None whatsoever. LisaL Apr 2014 #24

One was arrested and lost custody of her children for GOING TO A JOB INTERVIEW Raine1967 Apr 2014 #32

It doesn't matter where she went. Her children were left in the car unattended. LisaL Apr 2014 #33

I do. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #40

What if the one who left the child on top of the car was driving to the job interview? LisaL Apr 2014 #45

You do realize that this is deadly Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #41

Still not as dangerous as what the other woman did. Or as stupid. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #49

How is it not as dangerous when children can die if left in a hot car? LisaL Apr 2014 #52

Sure it's a pretty bad idea. But compared to leaving a baby seat on the *roof of your car* while nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #58

If she had left the infant on the roof of the car on purpose you might have had a good LisaL Apr 2014 #60

Do you really think she would've done that if she hadn't been out of her mind on God knows nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #62

Do you know that there was already CPS involvement with Shanesha Taylor prior to her leaving the LisaL Apr 2014 #64

I'm not saying she's a great mother. I honestly have no idea. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #66

Did you read why CPS was involved? LisaL Apr 2014 #71

So that makes it alrighty then! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #81

What makes it alrighty? LisaL Apr 2014 #82

It begs the question then, what were the local temperature conditions on that day LanternWaste Apr 2014 #163

I don't think anyone's arguing that leaving the kids in the car was fine and dandy LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #67

I am with you on universal child care. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #73

Shhhhhh! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #72

your right Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #75

I see 2 cases of child endangerment Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #56

But. but .but AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #109

Well, something did happen before these women were charged ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #117

Hahahahahahahaha AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #121

And the defensive and insincere will use profanity ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #123

I am sorry AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #127

Yes, you are ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #131

Hahaahahahahahahaha AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #133

That's not what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #136

I have no reason to believe you AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #141

Might be an easy mistake. I mistook you for sincere last week... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #165

In what way? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #172

Is my consistency AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #173

"Normally you would agree?" sheshe2 Apr 2014 #17

Normally I agree with you, is what I meant. But for reasons I've outlined, this is an exception. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #19

Was it the same judge Armadotrasgo Apr 2014 #11

Not same Judge; but same county and same court. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #14

This answer should be the end all to every response in this thread. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #23

And it would be if... Egnever Apr 2014 #104

Hmmmm AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #110

Almost as weird as the atypical racial disparity in the prison population. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #166

Did somebody collected over 100 K for Catalina? LisaL Apr 2014 #22

this response makes little sense wrt to the OP. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #25

OP makes claim one woman is treated harsher than the other. LisaL Apr 2014 #26

Actually, there is a LOT to support the claim. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #29

Name one. LisaL Apr 2014 #31

I'm not here to try the case. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #36

Oh I understand what she is saying. LisaL Apr 2014 #38

Make that what she is saying. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #85

So sheshe2 Apr 2014 #79

Why don't you take a look at your own logic first? LisaL Apr 2014 #80

No! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #83

Excuse me? LisaL Apr 2014 #84

Well, rationalizing a thing to force a false equivalence, but certainly not defending it. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #167

That's true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #51

Not the same. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #27

So they were both arrested and charged with felonies. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #37

But what the woman on the left did was far worse. So similar treatment *isn't* fair treatment nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #50

What makes it "far worse?" LisaL Apr 2014 #54

One woman was on drugs and utterly careless, and very nearly got her child killed. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #61

Leaving the children in a car unattended in AZ could lead to them ending up dead. LisaL Apr 2014 #63

I don't dispute that. But even so, I doubt the risk of death is comparable to the other situation. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #65

so if she left them in an oven, you would be good with that then ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #68

Of course leaving them in the car is a bad idea - in the middle of summer it could easily have been nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #87

It can get very hot inside the car even if it's not very hot outside. LisaL Apr 2014 #88

Look, she made a big mistake and she's paid for it with an arrest and public humiliation. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #89

She also got 100 k in donations. LisaL Apr 2014 #90

Wait what? Egnever Apr 2014 #124

She's not evil incarnate. But what she did was still worse in my book, in part because it wasn't nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #128

March in the desert Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #98

Well.... one woman made a deliberate, conscious decision to leave her kids in a hot car. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #57

That does kinda make a difference, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #171

Racism and White Privilege are factors in today's society...unjust treatement HipChick Apr 2014 #48

It's sickening the disparity in sentencing if you're are White and then Cha Apr 2014 #69

What disparity in sentencing? LisaL Apr 2014 #70

I do not believe some of our DU friends posting here, realize how deadly this is. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #76

Agreed Egnever Apr 2014 #101

Thank you Cha. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #86

There hasn't been a sentence yet Egnever Apr 2014 #102

They both messed up pretty bad , I don't think race has anything to do with this case oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #77

Shanesha Taylor's case wasn't yet picked by any judge. LisaL Apr 2014 #78

I'm sorry I misunderstood , so the first one do you know if oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #91

did you notice the length of the probation ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #111

Put me on the jury ..if see doesn't take a plea oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #112

this child was not so lucky TODAY ! Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #113

I wish I did because she would have her children back oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #115

Her children are with family members. LisaL Apr 2014 #143

I don't know but I'm trying not to judge this woman oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #145

Is she actually homeless and unemployed? LisaL Apr 2014 #152

The residence could have been her families or an ex , it doesn't mean she was living there. oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #156

I have no clue how many hours per week her part time job is. LisaL Apr 2014 #157

You would have to know what type of job oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #158

If this isn't damning evidence CFLDem Apr 2014 #92

Apparently, it's not damning enough ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #96

There hasnt been any sentence imposed. Nor has the black woman been found guilty of anything yet. Egnever Apr 2014 #103

Now don't spoil the fun with facts and logic. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #168

K&R n/t Feral Child Apr 2014 #93

I don't see how any conclusion about white privilege can be reached here... Captain Stern Apr 2014 #97

Exactly! AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #169

Wait till the sentencing then you can compare. dilby Apr 2014 #100

But aren't the black children here receiving better protection than the white child? maced666 Apr 2014 #138

How do you know that Shanesha Taylor wouldn't make more "mistakes?" LisaL Apr 2014 #142

"I swear you need a white-privilege-correct manual just to keep up with all this!" AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #170

Obviously you are more popular than I, however, this was the similarity I drew Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #139

I just KnR'ed your thread too Horse with no Name. nt sheshe2 Apr 2014 #140

This is really starting to piss me off oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #149

They both were arrested. dilby Apr 2014 #164

Catalina JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #159