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In reply to the discussion: Why the Supreme Court Should Kill ‘Obamacare’ [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)130. Actually, I found today's coverage to be far too "chicken little"
Scalia said bad things about the mandate!!!!
Ooo....surprising.
As for your argument, it has a pretty big error - medical and insurance commerce is already happening. There is no creation of commerce.
Realistically, this case will come down to two things:
-Kennedy decides to apply existing precedent and thus rules it constitutional. Or he goes Bush v. Gore and decides to rule in the face of precedent.
-Roberts lets his politics overrule his logic, or can't, much like his love of grammar caused him to botch the oath.
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I agree, I think think there's going to be one hell of a backlash they just don't see coming,
mother earth
Mar 2012
#140
It's not a public option pool. It's a private for-profit insurance industry pool.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#11
It is already in place. It is being funded by people choosing the public option.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#20
So "It is already in place" Please post the fee and benefit schedule for it.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#56
I see you edited your post. I did not, in fact, say it was single payer. You were talking about...
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#22
I didn't claim you said it was a single payer system. I quoted the doctors press release.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#55
"Please stop the right wing rhetoric" Why do you think the doctors organization is right-wing?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#57
How does one build on something the insurance industry and big pharma have a legal lock on?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#76
If the ACA is overturned Dems won't even think about National Healthcare for 50 more years.
JoePhilly
Mar 2012
#46
Bullshit, for no other reason than the cartel cannot survive 50 years with their current model
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#77
Of course it can't, but in the intrim people will die and suffer miserably. We agree.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#115
Proping it up to try and get a couple generations out of it, has no costs?
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#136
How many Democratic Senators would you need in the Senate to get 60 votes for single payer?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#23
Single Payer is supposedly very popular among the public (so we keep hearing)
Proud Liberal Dem
Mar 2012
#25
Why won't Democratic Senators even co-sponsor Senator Sanders single payer bill?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#60
Probably because most know/knew it's not going anywhere right now (and not even 2009-2011)
Proud Liberal Dem
Mar 2012
#84
It was the extreme left that guaranteed that Roosevelt had to come up with something
eridani
Mar 2012
#99
Obama will make mincemeat of Mitt on health care no matter what the court decides
eridani
Mar 2012
#121
And how many Democrats are needed in the Senate to pass Medicare for All? 51? 60? 70? More?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#27
It could take generations to achieve single payer if the insurance industry law is allowed to stand.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#101
That "reality" accepts without a fight the domination of health care by Wall Street.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#129
In the context of the Individual Mandate, it's not a "tax". The intent of a "tax" is to generate
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2012
#33
You should have called the Supreme Court before they had their meeting today then.
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2012
#126
Check out the "friend of the court" briefs (record number) in this case. Who's for and who's against
pampango
Mar 2012
#40
And what is the position of the health insurance industry and big Pharma? They wrote the law.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#63
Why and how is a system designed to prevent anything like single payer going to usher it in?
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#92
But the belief that single-payer will rise from the ashes of a repealed ACA is insane...
SidDithers
Mar 2012
#73
"forcing the public and the political system to finally consider the only real answer"
wyldwolf
Mar 2012
#87
never ceases to amaze me that some folks believe the Right will suddenly come to their senses
librechik
Mar 2012
#94
Meh. What do I care? My mom was natural born Canadian. Thus, I am Canadian too.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#96
The United States isn't like Canada. Canada has a multi-party system and democratic elections.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#128
If Congress wants to regulate the commerce of health, LET THEM DEMAND LOWER RATES FROM THE INSURERS.
WinkyDink
Mar 2012
#116
Realistically, if ACA is overturned, health care reform of any kind is dead for decades.
backscatter712
Mar 2012
#119
If the health insurance industry bill is upheld, progressive health care reform is dead for decades.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#127