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ananda

(28,964 posts)
38. hmm...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:21 AM
Apr 2014

Rape ... all too common in an oppressive society where everyone
who has ever been oppressed wants to take a position of power
over another.

I do hold to the view that rape is about power and not sexual pleasure.
It is a crime against the body and mind of another, and it's very effective
at screwing people up bigtime.

Whenever a victim feels pleasure while being raped, this can result in
huge guilt and sometimes denial which can also result in the person
becoming a rapist later on.

My view is that just about anyone who becomes a rapist has been raped
themselves in some form or fashion. That doesn't make it right, but it
does make it understandable.

Here's where it gets complicated. As a whole, boys are raised to be
oppressors, and women are raised to be oppressed; so generally women
are the victims of rape.

However, in order to take on oppressor roles, boys have to be brutally
oppressed first... and this oppression can take the form of rape. Also,
oppressed girls can sometimes take on male aggression because it gives
them a feeling of power. So yes, girls/women can be sexually aggressive towards
boys/men.

But, since the oppression of women is at the heart of this oppressive society/
economy, I would automatically question ANY article that seeks to show women
as rapists according to a so=called "study." Not that it never happens, just that
it tends to obscure the fact that women and girls are currently being attacked
and demonized in a horrifically persistent and increasingly escalated way these
days.

The only answer to this problem is to end oppression.

why? you know what's about to happen. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #1
A thoughtful discussion of a scientific article that shows a pervasive social problem? Perhaps. kelly1mm Apr 2014 #2
would be nice if true. i think everyone knows how these type of threads end up these days. dionysus Apr 2014 #3
The inferno hasn't erupted yet. HubertHeaver Apr 2014 #7
Yeah, why do people post stuff that is going to annoy some DUers? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #12
+1. Frankly, I'm disgusted by that first post. closeupready Apr 2014 #51
be disgusted all you want. anyone who reads DU knows this leads to a flame war. dionysus Apr 2014 #60
Yes, I'm VERY disgusted at your attempt to silence this discussion. closeupready Apr 2014 #61
calm down there pal, i don't have the ability to "silence" anything on DU. dionysus Apr 2014 #66
I hope not because this study isn't worth a flame war. It's about as reliable as an Internet poll. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #62
all i meant was, post any gender based OP on DU and watch it become a several hundred post flame war dionysus Apr 2014 #65
aw hell, it wasn't even a random sample? hfojvt Apr 2014 #95
Guess this one flamed out. Rex Apr 2014 #89
i know, my guess was wrong. usually there are epic trainwrecks of subthread! dionysus Apr 2014 #108
I was surprised to see this thread with no epic sub-thread. Rex Apr 2014 #110
i see it as a drive by post meant to piss off the HOF people. dionysus Apr 2014 #68
excuse me, but I happen to find that annoying hfojvt Apr 2014 #88
Sure he knows. Iggo Apr 2014 #59
Coerced envelopment? nt Bonobo Apr 2014 #4
I think their sample size is way too small hfojvt Apr 2014 #5
i think there overall sample sizes were not too bad. effects sizes were small La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #10
Odd the usual suspects are ignoring this! nt Logical Apr 2014 #6
you know that it is the middle of the night, right? people may just be sleeping La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #8
The DU never sleeps! :-) Logical Apr 2014 #9
Third shift only handles emergency alerts ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #79
I am far more fascinated by... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #97
Unfortunately, 72% of the same group could not define the term "coerce". NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #11
Does the article say that? Larry the Cable Dude Apr 2014 #20
Pretty much. cui bono Apr 2014 #75
How is this outside the definition? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #80
That is hardly coercion. cui bono Apr 2014 #82
coerce: to make (someone) do something by using force OR threats Major Nikon Apr 2014 #85
That's not the sort of threat that forces you to do something though. cui bono Apr 2014 #86
You could say the same thing about most who are in an abusive relationship Major Nikon Apr 2014 #90
It's stil la form of coersion Scootaloo Apr 2014 #100
Have you never loved? ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #96
Right back atcha. n/t cui bono Apr 2014 #106
I'm highly skeptical until evidence is presented otherwise. CFLDem Apr 2014 #29
It's right in the article. cui bono Apr 2014 #77
I believe it. McDiggy Apr 2014 #13
Wow Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #21
sorry mercuryblues Apr 2014 #117
A broad view of coercion treestar Apr 2014 #14
I have literally never seen anyone on this site argue dsc Apr 2014 #17
I remember a rather heated exchange I had on DU KitSileya Apr 2014 #24
nice move of the goal posts dsc Apr 2014 #31
nagging and threatening though hfojvt Apr 2014 #94
Right. And the verbal coercion accounts for 31%. cui bono Apr 2014 #81
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #34
Lover Boy and I were out with friends when the topic of Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #45
Now that IS amusing tkmorris Apr 2014 #113
Oh boy! hobbit709 Apr 2014 #15
Uh huh... 99Forever Apr 2014 #18
Interesting, I guess. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #16
Once again safeinOhio Apr 2014 #19
I think it's likely.. sendero Apr 2014 #22
I think it's just more of a recently noticed phenomenon Major Nikon Apr 2014 #42
only a mercuryblues Apr 2014 #116
I was thinking more along the lines of being accused of being impotent Major Nikon Apr 2014 #118
I get what mercuryblues Apr 2014 #121
Several times. And in one way it's tougher on guys as we have to perform... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #25
I can relate NickB79 Apr 2014 #26
I had a crazy chick who would grope me on the schoolbus CFLDem Apr 2014 #27
18%, though? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #41
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #48
. pintobean Apr 2014 #50
I don't understand the weight comment. Marr Apr 2014 #64
Unfortunately I cannot articulate the point CFLDem Apr 2014 #70
Ah, no need. Marr Apr 2014 #71
. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #73
Stop that! Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #109
"No" means "no". And don't just get "consent", get *enthusiastic* consent (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #28
"Physical force"? Yeah, I'm still pondering that claim. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #30
Small guy, big woman CFLDem Apr 2014 #32
The study's creators - Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Apr 2014 #53
30 year old teacher, 13 year old boy. closeupready Apr 2014 #54
well women do get men to do.. Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #33
Like what? CFLDem Apr 2014 #35
Not in a healthy relationship chrisa Apr 2014 #44
Part of why I'm glad I'm gay. closeupready Apr 2014 #55
A junior high classmate would call me and talk dirty. MindPilot Apr 2014 #36
Were they bragging about it or complaining about it? badtoworse Apr 2014 #37
hmm... ananda Apr 2014 #38
^ Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #74
Ananda, I think you are very much on target. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #91
I have no doubt this happens, and it's wrong. Nine Apr 2014 #40
Gender topics touch emotional buttons for many Major Nikon Apr 2014 #43
"Gender topics touch emotional buttons for many" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #47
... Major Nikon Apr 2014 #49
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #46
Wish they had been raped? What if she transmitted sexual diseases to him? closeupready Apr 2014 #56
^^^RAPE CULTURE^^^ CFLDem Apr 2014 #58
First of all, how were these boys, or men, dressed? It appears that they "wanted it", and were just Zorra Apr 2014 #52
Is this a study with a self-selected sample? Like an Internet poll? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #57
you men make it so easy, in the arguin'. we have a host from mens group calling out hof seabeyond Apr 2014 #63
And we smugly tell ourselves rap music about pimping and whoring is offensive. closeupready Apr 2014 #84
Considering the definitions, I'm surprised the answer wasn't 100%. pnwmom Apr 2014 #67
Yeah but these are the same questions that the same type of studies ask women davidn3600 Apr 2014 #103
"forced a kiss on you that you didn't want" isn't the same thing. pnwmom Apr 2014 #111
that struck me as well ...? etherealtruth Apr 2014 #114
I thought that too. Someone else mentioned the skewed questions upthread riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #107
Something like this happened to me when I was 17. Marr Apr 2014 #69
Can we all say "BOGUS" together? Warpy Apr 2014 #72
Wow, what an interesting statement.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #76
Sounds quite a bit like victim blaming Major Nikon Apr 2014 #83
The difference is a cultural one, boys are not supposed to be able to control their libidos Warpy Apr 2014 #93
I still don't understand one thing you are trying to say.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #122
Blaming the victim is frowned upon when it's women 1000words Apr 2014 #87
Happened to me in College. dilby Apr 2014 #99
Well, Mrs. Robinson is a different phenomenon Warpy Apr 2014 #104
Sexual coercion, no matter what gender does it, is wrong. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #78
verbally coerced? blueamy66 Apr 2014 #92
This Requires Massive Corroboration ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #98
the only real prob i have with this study is i would like to see a sex comparison La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #101
I agree with your last point, salin Apr 2014 #112
Did the study ask how many knew what the word "coerced" means? Lex Apr 2014 #102
FYI: the LOWEST analogous statistic I can find for women is 52% and the highest is 75%. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #105
Read the Limitations and Future Research section. idendoit Apr 2014 #115
It was comedy fodder on Bill Mahr. Behind the Aegis Apr 2014 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Apr 2014 #120
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