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DirkGently

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109. Lawyers talk about "distinction without a difference" as well.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:17 PM

Mar 2014

Not that legal argument has a thing to do with the basic problem of hypocrisy here.

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POTUS Did NOT Defend The Iraq War [View all] Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 OP

Notice that he didn't even say we are better. He said there was a difference berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #1

So it's okay to mealy mouth a meaningless distinction? DirkGently Mar 2014 #26

Why don't you ask the Iraqis ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #28

Why not ask what Iraqis thought about the U.S. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #53

why don't you take a stroll through a Baghdad marketplace and fucking do that yourself? frylock Mar 2014 #69

So, because there are terrorists blowing up car-bombs in Baghdad... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #80

was that shit happening prior to 2003? frylock Mar 2014 #82

Far worse shit, actually ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #95

good thing we liberated the everloving shit out of them frylock Mar 2014 #98

Did you get your flowers and candies from the Iraqis yet? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #93

regardless of whether one supported the Iraqi war, the differences between that and Crimea are many. 7962 Mar 2014 #57

Yeah, like Putin didn't kill a million people in Crimea... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #73

No, that's Chechnya you're thinking of (nt) Recursion Mar 2014 #83

Indeed. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #86

How many bombs were dropped in Crimea? ljm2002 Mar 2014 #76

Putin didn't have to drop bombs treestar Mar 2014 #112

How close is Iraq to the US... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #117

Well you are allowed to compare that too treestar Mar 2014 #120

Yes, we killed thousands in Iraq & committed war crimes. DirkGently Mar 2014 #119

This is how lawyers distinguish one set of facts from another Gothmog Mar 2014 #78

And distinguished poorly. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #87

I listened President Obama's comments on my car radio when he made the speech Gothmog Mar 2014 #104

It's not a matter of right and wrong treestar Mar 2014 #113

Lawyers talk about "distinction without a difference" as well. DirkGently Mar 2014 #109

Russia has 50,000 to 100,000 troops on the eastern border of Ukraine Gothmog Mar 2014 #110

He did no good disingenuously trying to justify Iraq. DirkGently Mar 2014 #111

Gothmog is right - he did obtain some good results treestar Mar 2014 #114

The "upset" appears to be about the criticism. DirkGently Mar 2014 #116

The horrors are not of Obama bashing, but for taking something he said treestar Mar 2014 #118

Dems should be united in condemning Iraq, period. DirkGently Mar 2014 #121

Russia has 50,000 to 100,000 troops on the eastern border of Ukraine Gothmog Mar 2014 #107

What a shame RobertEarl Mar 2014 #2

Yes, the message and PrezO's approach to matters. elleng Mar 2014 #4

THANKS. elleng Mar 2014 #3

Thank you ellie Mar 2014 #5

The goal is deliberate misrepresentation and misinformation... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #6

Bulls RobertEarl Mar 2014 #7

Yeah, right after Obama condemns FDRs internment camps. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #10

I have no doubt in my mind about the motives of certain individuals Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #11

No you are not RobertEarl Mar 2014 #14

I'm not entitled to my own opinion? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #15

It is because of your motive RobertEarl Mar 2014 #17

Your getting caught up in your own words.... Historic NY Mar 2014 #50

Seeing history! treestar Mar 2014 #41

exactly, the whole "disappointed" hype. They get a pony they want a BETTER pony uhnope Mar 2014 #19

Correct. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #31

Slandering Democrats. That's pretty. beerandjesus Mar 2014 #34

They are to blame for not showing up treestar Mar 2014 #44

The Democratic base always shows up for elections. bornskeptic Mar 2014 #75

sure, that's it grasswire Mar 2014 #59

No. Will Pitt is a.... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #61

anyone who just wants $$$$ is not likely to become a writer. grasswire Mar 2014 #62

The UN had various sanctions, resolutions, attempted disarmament and inspections scheduled, okaawhatever Mar 2014 #8

No, Crimea and Iraq Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #13

Both were illegal pretext wars for selfish reasons. DirkGently Mar 2014 #32

Thank you. I dont understand people getting bent out of shape about Obama's statement. 7962 Mar 2014 #64

He defended the U.S. polichick Mar 2014 #9

No he didn't, but the political strategy Progressive dog Mar 2014 #12

I guess he never read all the rules Bremer put into place in Iraq Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #16

K&R.... I don't feel the same about DU as I used to.... too much negativity! secondwind Mar 2014 #18

I totally agree. mimi85 Mar 2014 #29

The very last savalez Mar 2014 #103

Yeah. No. What he said was wrong. DirkGently Mar 2014 #20

Obama Suddenly Defends U.S. Invasion of Iraq—Mainstream Media Shrug{& DUers} xchrom Mar 2014 #21

Thanks for this, xchrom. smokey nj Mar 2014 #38

+1. The statement is rife with hypocrisy and half-truths RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #54

thank you. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #22

Yep, but alas the haters gonna hate Iliyah Mar 2014 #23

Obama doesn't seem to think that we were at our worst in Iraq. Vattel Mar 2014 #24

Yes, because the President of the United States Arkana Mar 2014 #45

So you are saying that he lied to the soldiers he was speaking to? Vattel Mar 2014 #52

We could just as well ask you where you get all the straw. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #66

No, he didn't lie. The statements he made were true ones, for the most part. 7962 Mar 2014 #68

I understand the political reasons for Obama candy-coating the war in a speech like that one. Vattel Mar 2014 #72

Obama should have apologized to those soldiers rusty fender Mar 2014 #79

Yes, call American soldiers murderers. You certainly know Arkana Mar 2014 #92

You are the one calling them murders rusty fender Mar 2014 #96

Yep. The media will clearly make that distinction. Obviously. Arkana Mar 2014 #97

Really? Wanting the POTUS to tell the truth rusty fender Mar 2014 #106

Of course he didn't. GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #25

totally agree rtracey Mar 2014 #27

K&R. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #30

Hundreds of thousands were killed for nothing! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #33

Indeed, how many boombs and missiles were dropped on Crimea on the first day? arcane1 Mar 2014 #36

Bush destroyed any good will and respect the United States built up over decades. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #48

That only works if you think Crimea TBF Mar 2014 #35

I do. Cha Mar 2014 #90

People are allowed to have differing TBF Mar 2014 #94

in order to support Obama Enrique Mar 2014 #37

Good thing that's not what happened here. Arkana Mar 2014 #43

No. Obama supporters are into the reality of what he says and does. It's the Cha Mar 2014 #84

K&R treestar Mar 2014 #39

Thank You! livingonearth Mar 2014 #40

No, he didn't, but that hasn't stopped the Manufactured Outrage Brigade Arkana Mar 2014 #42

Our shit doesn't stink as much as yours. progressoid Mar 2014 #46

POTUS OBama is correct Billy Budd Mar 2014 #47

Has he ever admitted it was a mistake? That we broke the law? Has Kerry? Has Clinton? joeybee12 Mar 2014 #49

It was not a mistake. It was a crime. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #55

You're right, and the rest of them bend over backwards to try and joeybee12 Mar 2014 #60

Kerry ran for president supporting the Iraq war. arcane1 Mar 2014 #65

Both he and DiFi were very vocal against it before the actual vote, joeybee12 Mar 2014 #67

Usurping is Usurping, Exploiting by mistake is no excuse . orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #51

Someone got Iraq's oil. peace13 Mar 2014 #56

The 1% or as you said " Our War criminals " orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #70

I think not prosecuting the war criminals... peace13 Mar 2014 #77

Kkkarl Rove, Poppy and that kitten eating Chenney, orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #108

So true. peace13 Mar 2014 #122

Many Obama Haters here,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2014 #58

The 2003 formulation was "Saddam lovers" JackRiddler Mar 2014 #63

Just disappointed, if that's OK . orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #71

President Obama distinguished the Iraq war from the situation in Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #74

You are wrong. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #81

sounds like Obama is saying our shit does not smell as bad as Putins shit! JohnRogan Mar 2014 #100

Thank you Motown.. it really does help not to have a freaking kneejerk. Cha Mar 2014 #85

I think everybody is forgetting SHOCK & AWE lame54 Mar 2014 #88

"anyone who claims that he did is either deliberately being misleading or is just plain clueless." NCTraveler Mar 2014 #89

I am neither.. 99Forever Mar 2014 #91

Yeah, it is a defense and a white wash. It is pitiful to pretend otherwise. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #99

Amen. 840high Mar 2014 #102

Yes, by claiming it was not as bad as Crimea he is defending it. redgreenandblue Mar 2014 #101

I listened President Obama's comments live on my car radio when he made the speech Gothmog Mar 2014 #105

Logic doesn't work that way treestar Mar 2014 #115