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seabeyond

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150. oh oh oh and it is so fuggin important, detrimental for women to allow men their excuses cause

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:03 AM

Mar 2014

without the excuse what does that say about a womans man. a man we love.

wowser.

gonna have to think about this one a little more.

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Shocking reaction to blonde woman caught on video as crowds of men swarm around her at Cairo Univ [View all] Liberal_in_LA Mar 2014 OP

Despicable behavior. So I wonder if these guys consider themselves 'straight', closeupready Mar 2014 #1

It must be a "man up" thing, creepy men trying to feel like manly men, I guess. What a RKP5637 Mar 2014 #116

it is men fearful of the ever changing role of women become independent and free of male control. seabeyond Mar 2014 #119

I'm always appalled that women still have to fight for rights. It's a constant WTF for me that RKP5637 Mar 2014 #121

appalling behavior do not go unnoticed and can be seen for what they are. seabeyond Mar 2014 #123

YUP....and what we are going to experience when Hillary DARES to run for Office VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #153

It will be 2008 doubled and all on her. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #192

You will soon discover that they hate women MUCH more than even minorities.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #193

Oh, I was born, raised, and live in a red state. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #195

Oh its going to be all out war! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #196

Exactly. Do you remember that thread from last month closeupready Mar 2014 #130

Yep, especially your last sentence. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #133

Islam is always a great scapegoat for Western misogynists of any creed... nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #200

just pigs being pigs, nothing new. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #2

Submission to the hijab is to blame. n/t Loudly Mar 2014 #3

Bullshit. redqueen Mar 2014 #10

also, it's not rare to see women's hair in Egypt JI7 Mar 2014 #15

Also, she's wearing a long, yellow scarf. That isn't her hair. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #53

and Saudi Arabia is not like that DrDan Mar 2014 #95

+1000. closeupready Mar 2014 #32

If that were true, they would be harrassing all the women on campus. Loudly Mar 2014 #38

many women ARE harassed there, just because it wasn't taped and put online JI7 Mar 2014 #61

Are you saying women who wear hijabs don't get harrassed in Egypt? Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #66

I'm completely comfortable with being more of a feminist than your friend. Loudly Mar 2014 #67

I doubt very much yr more of a feminist than my friend... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #69

I got a sense of there being undue influence, at a minimum, from academic articles like this: Loudly Mar 2014 #71

Hah Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #81

I get a sense of there being undue Wikignorance... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #86

That's funny.... Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #170

Wow, what a snob. Loudly Mar 2014 #155

Wikipedia Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #173

You obviously have not tried to get an edit accepted at Wikipedia. Loudly Mar 2014 #177

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica EX500rider Mar 2014 #187

As Bart would say, Dude thanks for that. Loudly Mar 2014 #198

People like Loudly don't beleive Muslim women have minds Scootaloo Mar 2014 #77

Thumbs up Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #82

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #87

That's a guy? A guy arguing that he's "more of a feminist' because... why? redqueen Mar 2014 #124

lol, that made me laugh. haha closeupready Mar 2014 #168

well they certainly can't in Cairo... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #156

You can't make the claim Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #80

Yeah, a bizarre post, and incredibly arrogant/presumptuous too. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #202

No, it's because she isn't with a man. Same as street harassment here... redqueen Mar 2014 #70

I'm not sure that's her hair. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #40

Of course it's a head scarf. Odd that the writer couldn't tell the difference pnwmom Mar 2014 #51

Well, it's the Daily Mail Scootaloo Mar 2014 #85

You're right. It sure says a lot about the DM and its readers. n't pnwmom Mar 2014 #107

Plus, that's NOT her hair! It's a bright headscarf. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #59

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #118

^^^^ Some People don't get it ^^^^ Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #35

Interesting Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #83

If you read the article it's because of her tight pants. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #84

Bullshit again. This framing is fucked. redqueen Mar 2014 #127

Agreed Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #129

Her clothes nor anything else she was wearing caused it. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #194

Err... Egypt doesn't allow female reporters to wear hijab on TV Recursion Mar 2014 #48

There's been a secular pushback against Islamic usurpation of the Egyptian culture. Loudly Mar 2014 #54

Except... she's wearing a yellow head scarf Recursion Mar 2014 #56

If it is, then it's deceptively chosen to look like a mane of blond hair. Loudly Mar 2014 #57

According to The New York Times, about 90 percent of Egyptian women currently wear a headscarf Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #93

what a load . . . DrDan Mar 2014 #94

Many of the cultures there are very male-dominated quinnox Mar 2014 #4

Not news. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #89

Apparently in Egypt even women dressed very conservatively frequently get harassed. Vattel Mar 2014 #5

In America, too. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #6

Please cut the false equivalence maxsolomon Mar 2014 #31

Pfft. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #36

It is bad here, but it is much worse there. pnwmom Mar 2014 #60

Clueless. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #37

"The occasional wolf whistle" Recursion Mar 2014 #49

As someone who is familiar with that end of the world, you've got several things going on here... MADem Mar 2014 #58

Are you a woman in the United States? liberalhistorian Mar 2014 #64

I didn't know you were a woman. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #65

You are not a woman are you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #160

The point is the harassment is that much more extreme in some places pnwmom Mar 2014 #55

Sure it is Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #189

Thank you. Some people seem to think street harassment is no big deal. redqueen Mar 2014 #191

People/men are generally shitty everywhere. Anyone who denies that is either sheltered or blind. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #203

Why, there's no difference at all! Jgarrick Mar 2014 #165

in the US and around the world also , sexual abuse has nothing to do with what women are wearing JI7 Mar 2014 #17

Not to this extreme, but when I went to Europe with 2 blond friends pnwmom Mar 2014 #7

That poor woman Politicalboi Mar 2014 #8

what rape culture? nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2014 #9

lol Tsiyu Mar 2014 #11

Not for nothing Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #12

Daily Mailed again! FSogol Mar 2014 #13

What does the Daily Mail have to do with savage sexual assault by these males? seveneyes Mar 2014 #19

So what does help? leftynyc Mar 2014 #14

Did I say anything that comes close to that? Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #28

Speak out - LOUDLY leftynyc Mar 2014 #76

I don't think you understood what I posted Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #176

What if our "agenda" is Pro-woman instead... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #161

Hot pink boobs are like a toreador's cape to men siligut Mar 2014 #16

You misspelled 'misogynist assholes' redqueen Mar 2014 #18

Wishful thinking on my part . . . siligut Mar 2014 #20

Thanks to Catharine MacKinnon, it's at least illegal at work. redqueen Mar 2014 #22

I didn't see them grabbing at her, but the article says they did siligut Mar 2014 #23

I'd bet on at least a dismissive eyeroll, redqueen Mar 2014 #24

Yes, a male cop might even fall in line with the rest of the pack siligut Mar 2014 #27

Tailhook was when? maxsolomon Mar 2014 #33

Every time I go into the city of Philadelphia MadrasT Mar 2014 #96

So its all cleared up now? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #162

who said it was cleared up? maxsolomon Mar 2014 #178

well it is hardly what YOU described... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #181

You're still minimizing a persistent cultural issue. Whether you realize it or not. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #204

Wow, like a pack of animals...is that the first female they've ever encountered? Rex Mar 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author woolldog Mar 2014 #52

I blame the men of DU for this NoOneMan Mar 2014 #25

because no one on DU ever denies Rape Culture..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #163

At least the one's trivializing and minimizing the issue... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #167

bumpin shoulders with you.... hey dude.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #171

Yeah, it's all such a laugh, ain't it? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #205

This shit will always be upsetting, but I wish I could say I was shocked. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #26

Pepper spray, a taser and a platoon of female marines boomer55 Mar 2014 #29

Women report that they are harassed regardless of whether yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #30

+1 freshwest Mar 2014 #75

The madness in Egypt is the result of years of the saudi's exporting their radical islamic Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #34

More bashing of Islam? philosslayer Mar 2014 #39

really? n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #45

Not Islam in general. Radical Islamic fundamentalists -- not the same thing. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #62

Are you myopic? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #90

What you see as bashing of Islam, I see as sticking up for women's rights joeglow3 Mar 2014 #126

oh my. lmao. my my my. wow. hm. joeglow, having your support, as a woman, seabeyond Mar 2014 #128

They're only interested in women being empowered to make choices gollygee Mar 2014 #140

exactly. thru out the thread i am getting that feel. and thru out. a man issue... to control and seabeyond Mar 2014 #143

we wimminz get a little uppity and out comes the tits... SI... and other means seabeyond Mar 2014 #145

Because they secretly resent us sexually...they think our bodies give us some VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #166

i see it as THAT conditioned. and separated from their authentic self. which to me, is the ultimate seabeyond Mar 2014 #172

Okay...weak and sad VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #182

I see you are looking for more attention joeglow3 Mar 2014 #212

So why do some people (not necessarily you) only "stick up for women's rights" nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #206

It is easier the more obvious it is. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #213

I bash fundies of all shapes and sizes, you in the right place? snooper2 Mar 2014 #132

Pointing out a problem in some sects of Islam is not bashing MosheFeingold Mar 2014 #148

I am with the previous poster....I bash ALL Fundamentalism... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #180

Wow - n/t rumdude Mar 2014 #43

Afghanistan in the 1960s (photos) rumdude Mar 2014 #44

Thanks for the link Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #74

Something clearly changed. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #46

you are comparing Beach Pics to Protest Pics ? JI7 Mar 2014 #79

Well thanks for asking... lets look at the women of Cairo University over the years.... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #91

Yes, let's DO look at the pictures of Cairo University over the years. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #97

Strange takeaway. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #99

You really don't know what you're talking about Scootaloo Mar 2014 #100

I think the point that totally went over your head Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #104

And they still can, and do so every day Scootaloo Mar 2014 #109

Now we've moved into some kind of performance art. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #111

Dress code police... In Egypt. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #114

Who the fuck is Pam? From the article... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #117

Forget it, dude. You won't get a word of condemnation out of him unless you got video of the mob Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #144

Pamela Geller, a far right wing nut who is islamophobic Mosby Mar 2014 #185

thanks...nt Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #197

Aha, thanks Scootaloo Mar 2014 #190

Western democracy isn't always either. Look at Texas or Virginia these days. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #207

This isn't about fucking clothing!!!! redqueen Mar 2014 #135

control and dominance of womens sexuality and is world wide, not just muslim countries. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #136

Totally agree.. it's about culture and conservative religious poison. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #137

wrong. it is a man issue. it is not a conservative, or religion or.... issue. it is a man issue seabeyond Mar 2014 #139

Agreed Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #142

i hear ya. you are rolling me along in thought. as are the ones that only support womens rights if seabeyond Mar 2014 #146

maybe this is what rainn was talking about. people taking away from responsibility of to shift to seabeyond Mar 2014 #141

We have no problem calling out the issue when it's bullying a kid over a My Little Pony backpack. redqueen Mar 2014 #154

they want their excuses. they need them. how many of us lets the little bully have the excuse for seabeyond Mar 2014 #157

the bottom line. why men are sooo fuggin pissed off. i GET it. euraka. lol. why they are so seabeyond Mar 2014 #149

oh oh oh and it is so fuggin important, detrimental for women to allow men their excuses cause seabeyond Mar 2014 #150

What about the female journalists sexually assaulted in Egypt? kwassa Mar 2014 #41

Things like this make one realize how good we have it in 'the West'...n/t rumdude Mar 2014 #42

Makes me realize how far we have to go 'all over the world'. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #68

That's the thing, redqueen. Feral Child Mar 2014 #92

Religion is one of the strongest reinforcers of patriarchal values. redqueen Mar 2014 #125

Agreed. n/t Feral Child Mar 2014 #134

this makes one realize how prevalent this bullshit attitude is and more angry that even in the west seabeyond Mar 2014 #102

It is so much better here... rumdude Mar 2014 #151

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #152

Yeah. Our womenfolk should just shut up and count their blessings. Right? Iggo Mar 2014 #175

What a thoughtful thing to say. bravenak Mar 2014 #183

You literally just threw back in her face her own father in law's fucked-up argument. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #186

Inability to see past one's own nose. A common affliction, unfortunately. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #209

Some of us are trying, at least. Others don't seem to be trying very hard. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #208

In general, yes, but Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #179

Shame on the men who didn't defend her. flvegan Mar 2014 #47

Since when does wearing a long yellow head scarf makes you a blonde? pnwmom Mar 2014 #50

It took this many posts for this to get asked? I've been sitting here wondering the exact same thing Number23 Mar 2014 #72

Really gollygee Mar 2014 #98

Thank you! Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #184

Since the Daily Mail needed her to be a blonde for that "extra outrage" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #101

not really. in this thread we have a man telling us how blessed us women should feel living in the seabeyond Mar 2014 #103

I love that argument Scootaloo Mar 2014 #110

You've nailed it in every post in this thread. Thank you. closeupready Mar 2014 #131

You're right -- that's probably it. nt pnwmom Mar 2014 #105

Yeah, I saw the Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #164

I wonder what would Aerows Mar 2014 #63

Wasn't there also an incident in Central Park Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #73

before 9/11 i think, it was one of those news stories which were kind of totally forgotten JI7 Mar 2014 #78

"some people had tried to undress her "?? NO. Some MEN "had tried to undress her." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #88

You have your agenda don't you upaloopa Mar 2014 #106

Women weren't the offenders. Why pretend they were? n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #108

If you hate men that's your life upaloopa Mar 2014 #112

making a truthful statement as opposed to a non truthful statement means winky hates men? one must seabeyond Mar 2014 #113

It's not about hating men. It's about, as you say, being specific. pnwmom Mar 2014 #115

Now you are more specific upaloopa Mar 2014 #122

The word "people" isn't as specific. When wasn't I clear? n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #138

But you don't have an agenda at all, do you? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #120

Why is saying "people" not hating all people gollygee Mar 2014 #147

Certain types see 'man hating' any time misogyny/patriarchy is discussed. redqueen Mar 2014 #159

For the same reason any person of color who complains about even the most egregious racism nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #210

Conflating accuracy and agenda seems to be your agenda... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #169

Correcting the record? Yeah, some people have that 'agenda'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #188

That is normal, due to built-in hormones they can't control!~ treestar Mar 2014 #158

so we are told. ALAS, .... i am here to stand with my brothers in an afront to the caricature seabeyond Mar 2014 #174

Said NO ONE on DU ever. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #201

Heterosexual men on DU scapegoat Islam for misogyny born of patriarchal closeupready Mar 2014 #211

Holy fucking shit. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #199