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ucrdem

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48. Why is Greenwald trying to pass off British intel as an NSA program?

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:43 PM

Mar 2014

And Octa, don't you realize the irony of your kicking this misinformed thread? I tried to explain politely but you don't seem to get that you're doing exactly what this thing is describing -- pushing propaganda on the internet. This is not, repeat not, an NSA program! It's a UK program.

I don't understand why you don't self-delete it frankly

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Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government [View all] Octafish Mar 2014 OP

The existence of the online propaganda machine, woo me with science Mar 2014 #1

It is staggering to behold as the populace seems blithley unaware... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #4

Un-American, Creepy as Hell, and Legal. Octafish Mar 2014 #8

Yes, it is Un-American. GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions. This is not an NSA program. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #62

Yes, I'm sure it was presented in-depth to the NSA because they had no interest in it. Marr Mar 2014 #104

Octafish.. is there a way to access the article without setting up an account? 2banon Mar 2014 #85

Sorry! I don't believe it did that when I first found it... Octafish Mar 2014 #88

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Octafish.. 2banon Mar 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #16

Experts on everything. Autumn Mar 2014 #2

Amazing what the US Taxpayer gets for his and her money. Octafish Mar 2014 #12

As seen daily on DU. woo me with science Mar 2014 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #118

welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2014 #119

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Mar 2014 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #121

That one tried to be sneaky. arcane1 Mar 2014 #125

Are you on MIRT? Can you tell me what happened? aikoaiko Mar 2014 #127

Alas, I'm not on MIRT. I wish I couldv'e seen the post that got them PPRed arcane1 Mar 2014 #128

Monopoly on Science (tm) Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #123

to read later snagglepuss Mar 2014 #3

Imagine if they combined high tech with craft learned in the pre-digital age? Octafish Mar 2014 #13

This is something that never should have been missed Aerows Mar 2014 #21

You are most welcome, Aerows! Octafish Mar 2014 #94

The manipulation is pervasive and transparent woo me with science Mar 2014 #5

Bamford spelled out the situation. Two weeks later, the Pentagon dropped the I-Bomb. Octafish Mar 2014 #14

This deserves it's own thread! 2banon Mar 2014 #98

Octa . . . ucrdem Mar 2014 #6

Absolutely. Gore Vidal pegged them... Octafish Mar 2014 #7

Okay. But what I'm getting at is this: ucrdem Mar 2014 #35

Oooh! I wonder too! Shifting eyes back and forth... back and forth. And don't forget there's a team! Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #77

I thought you didn't like deceptive propaganda? ucrdem Mar 2014 #79

I'm looking at you, kid. I am looking at you. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #82

I like you too. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #83

Yes, there are sure more players out there Aerows Mar 2014 #131

A mighty K&R Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #9

Taht KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK! 63 yards. 19-17. Octafish Mar 2014 #10

with a club foot! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #11

Recommend jsr Mar 2014 #17

Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”: Octafish Mar 2014 #27

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #96

Kick bobduca Mar 2014 #18

GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: Octafish Mar 2014 #32

Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive Maedhros Mar 2014 #43

Absolutely, there are some classic examples of that here. But the good thing is we recognize them. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #57

Yes, it's hard to believe Greenwald would pass off British intel as an NSA program. ucrdem Mar 2014 #59

Thanks for mentioning Greenwald. The smear campaign against HIM is a perfect example of the OP. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #70

The article in the OP appears under GG's name. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #72

Yes, it does. Again thanks for mentioning him. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #73

Exactly where you'd expect them to swarm, too. Marr Mar 2014 #106

DU rec n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #19

Online Covert Action Octafish Mar 2014 #33

Happy to keep this kicked to the top n/t Oilwellian Mar 2014 #20

Thank you, Oilwellian! Here's how this whole ball of antiterror police state wax got rolling... Octafish Mar 2014 #42

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #22

SidDithers SOP. Nothing to say about the issue, so use 'LOL' to ridicule Greenwald. Octafish Mar 2014 #23

LOL = Deny, as in Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive. Raksha Mar 2014 #74

Put it in D for Deny! Marr Mar 2014 #107

FYI, this piece was already posted when it first ran... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #24

It's worth posting again. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #25

You must be thinking of Latest Breaking News. That DU forum runs articles just once. Octafish Mar 2014 #28

I did have some thoughts and a number of questions about the piece Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #30

Oh well. I'd have given them a try. Octafish Mar 2014 #34

Thanks... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #37

Very good. H2O Man Mar 2014 #26

'The Mother Tongue is Propaganda' -- Marshall MacLuhan Octafish Mar 2014 #40

The best propaganda is one that you don't even realize is propaganda! Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #29

It takes a fish out of water. Octafish Mar 2014 #36

We should've paid attention to what he was saying. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #41

essential reading. BIG k and r bbgrunt Mar 2014 #31

'Conspiracy Stories' Octafish Mar 2014 #46

Recommend G_j Mar 2014 #38

The documents... attempt to identify ways to influence the outcomes... Octafish Mar 2014 #47

It's UK intel, not NSA. ucrdem Mar 2014 #49

Really? You think NSA plays second fiddle to Booz Allen Hamilton? Octafish Mar 2014 #51

I think Intercept is proving its true colors by passing this off as an NSA program. It isn't. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #53

"Repetition Reduces Vigilance" Maedhros Mar 2014 #66

I favor refutation in order to let their Words stand. Octafish Mar 2014 #76

great resource G_j Mar 2014 #69

US Government reminds employees it's illegal to read Wikileaks docs, etc. Octafish Mar 2014 #95

Can we at least establish that GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions? ucrdem Mar 2014 #39

And the distribution list to Five Eyes across the bottom of the slides. Octafish Mar 2014 #50

Does your presenting it to us make us propagandists? No. ucrdem Mar 2014 #52

Does GCHQ keep secrets from NSA? Octafish Mar 2014 #89

Yep, that's Greenwald's playbook alright. idendoit Mar 2014 #44

The irony is downright comical. ucrdem Mar 2014 #55

Not as funny as someone pretending something isn't what it is. Octafish Mar 2014 #91

Kick (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #45

Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ Octafish Mar 2014 #93

Why is Greenwald trying to pass off British intel as an NSA program? ucrdem Mar 2014 #48

That's good to know, but it's not the issue. Octafish Mar 2014 #65

Octa, it IS the issue, because Greenwald has been lying all along. ucrdem Mar 2014 #67

It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007. Octafish Mar 2014 #68

Greenwald wasn't even at the hearing. ucrdem Mar 2014 #71

NYT Buried NSA Spying Story BEFORE 2004 Selection Octafish Mar 2014 #103

Why are you so frantically repeating that talking point? Marr Mar 2014 #108

Truth bothering you? ucrdem Mar 2014 #110

You've repeatedly posted the same talking point at the OP. Marr Mar 2014 #111

"Desperate" is one word, but "rookie" is a nice word too. Kurovski Mar 2014 #115

Let's post these links again, (USA! USA!) woo me with science Mar 2014 #54

Here's a link: "The JTRIG is a unit of the GCHQ, the British intelligence agency." B-R-I-T-I-S-H. ucrdem Mar 2014 #56

Is intentional myopia contagious? woo me with science Mar 2014 #60

Only among the willfully blind. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #61

Still pretending not to see the links? woo me with science Mar 2014 #63

Is the British government spying on Americans? ucrdem Mar 2014 #64

Yes. And sending that info right back at us. 5 eyes. How to bypass ever english speaking Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #80

Is everything okay? ucrdem Mar 2014 #81

Well, elderly next door neighbors are under a bit of a stress and we do all that we can to help out Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #84

k & r nt Zorra Mar 2014 #58

America's Outsourced Spy Force, by the Numbers Octafish Mar 2014 #101

It's a dirty job, and a lifetime commitment, and as we both know, Zorra Mar 2014 #130

K & R, bookmarked. n/t Raksha Mar 2014 #75

Online Covert Agent Accreditation Octafish Mar 2014 #105

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #78

No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. Octafish Mar 2014 #109

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Mar 2014 #86

kick. Kurovski Mar 2014 #87

POLITICAL USES OF ECHELON AND UKUSA Octafish Mar 2014 #90

Anytime, daddy-o. Kurovski Mar 2014 #116

Kicked to piss off the Staziwhores DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #92

LOL! good one! eom 2banon Mar 2014 #99

Gotcher back. johnnyreb Mar 2014 #102

Kick. Kurovski Mar 2014 #114

Kick malokvale77 Mar 2014 #100

We're lucky to have DU... CanSocDem Mar 2014 #112

K&R Thanks for another great thread, Octafish. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #113

Big K&R! PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #117

Doiuble Agents -> Triple Agents.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #122

bump... nt Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #124

The sailor has his strips on the wrong arm and he has no hash marks either. RC Mar 2014 #126

Thankfully if you look at recs and replies alone, most DUers are not fooled by the propaganda. Rex Mar 2014 #129

K&R Aerows Mar 2014 #132

Nicely put. Kurovski Mar 2014 #133

Thank you Aerows Mar 2014 #134

More relevant than ever. woo me with science Mar 2014 #135

Followed a link from another DU'er who puts great stock in your information. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #136