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marble falls

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Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:43 PM Mar 2014

When May I Shoot a Student? [View all]

When May I Shoot a Student?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/opinion/when-may-i-shoot-a-student.html?_r=0
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/28/1281076/-When-May-I-Shoot-a-Student?detail=email

This op-ed in the NYTimes this morning by Prof. Greg Hampikian, Boise State University in Idaho, has written a must-read masterpiece of weaponized snark. The Idaho legislature has a bill pending that would allow students on campus to carry guns. A taste...

BOISE, Idaho — TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

In light of the bill permitting guns on our state’s college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?
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I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that we’ll all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.
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I assume that if a student shoots first, I am allowed to empty my clip; but given the velocity of firearms, and my aging reflexes, I’d like to be proactive. For example, if I am working out a long equation on the board and several students try to correct me using their laser sights, am I allowed to fire a warning shot?


Wonderful read, worth going to KOs and NYT.

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When May I Shoot a Student? [View all] marble falls Mar 2014 OP
Excellent read! herding cats Mar 2014 #1
What an idiot. hack89 Mar 2014 #2
Exactly my thought joeglow3 Mar 2014 #3
Whoosh right over the head Bandit Mar 2014 #4
It certainly went over *someone's* head... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #7
Made me go back and reread my post. Its them. Sad part is you can bet that these scenerios .... marble falls Mar 2014 #16
This is *already* legal in next-door Utah and Washington State friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #20
Because more guns will lead to fewer gun events? You tell me. marble falls Mar 2014 #23
AFAIK, there hasn't *been* any gun events in college classrooms in UT and WA friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #24
Hmmm, it all depends, doesn't it. Vattel Mar 2014 #34
It certainly hasn't led to more gun incidents. n/t Bazinga Mar 2014 #33
Exactly joeglow3 Mar 2014 #22
Is an angry student with an illegal gun the same as an angry student with a legal gun? tridim Mar 2014 #6
Hmm, which is worse- a professor who doesn't understand law... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #8
You said "an angry student with an illegal gun" tridim Mar 2014 #10
Two points: 1) I'm not the one who said it, and 2) You're hyperventilating friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #13
The legality of the gun is irrelevant when it comes to self defense hack89 Mar 2014 #11
Define self-defense in context of your scenario. tridim Mar 2014 #12
If the student had the gun out and was pointing at me hack89 Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it it dos change it Lordquinton Mar 2014 #17
The mere presence of a gun does not indicate an immediate threat hack89 Mar 2014 #18
Oh, you and your "facts". There's no need for those here... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #19
Well, not anymore Lordquinton Mar 2014 #29
Let's get back to the OP shall we hack89 Mar 2014 #31
You're overlooking the idea that having a gun legally will make a particular mbperrin Mar 2014 #21
So... He's willing to shoot you but not willing to break the law that says he shouldn't have it? Lost_Count Mar 2014 #5
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #9
The standard for a justified use of lethal force hasn't changed. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #14
Thanks note got a reply sharkmeister Mar 2014 #25
Am I wrong in thinking this professor asjr Mar 2014 #26
No,man, its OK, he won the right to shoot one student during a charity event and he's just ... marble falls Mar 2014 #27
probably when the student takes the first step toward him Doctor_J Mar 2014 #28
A real Grand Canyon of sarchasm on this thread IDemo Mar 2014 #30
I certainly understood that. hack89 Mar 2014 #32
I had a great conversation about this with DanTex last time this article was posted. Bazinga Mar 2014 #35
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