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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
59. Mr. Freeman couldn't be more wrong if he tried
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 04:37 PM
Mar 2014

World War I was the result of rising tensions. There was always a ballance of power in Europe. Germany controlled the most powerful ground army, and thus was the power to be reckoned with on land. Britain controlled the seas with thier fleet. So long as nobody threatened Germany's Ground Army control, and no one threatened the British Control of the sea, there would be little chance for a major war.

German Kaiser Willhelm felt that Germany was not considered a powerful enough force, and deduced that it was the absence of a serious Navy that allowed Germany to be ignored. After all, racisim showed that German Culture, technology, and dedication was superior to all others. So Germany started building ships. Big powerful ships that would easily match the British.

France knew it could not defeat Germany alone. So they negotiated a treaty with Russia to come to the aide of each other in the event of war.

Britain saw the danger of a German Imperial Fleet challenging them for control of the sea, and formed a loose agreement that was an alliance for all intents and purposes with France, but not Czarist Russia.

Now, Germany saw the danger of Encirclement, surrounded by enemies on all sides. The only allies she had was Austria and Italy. Toss in the meglomania of the Kaiser, and you have a recipie for disaster.

Oil became an issue when Germany tried to sway Mexico to join them in the war which would have cut off a major source of Oil to the British Navy. But Oil wasn't the first major shortage that the combatants had. The Germans started the war with a six month supply of Nitrates, vital components of both gunpowder and explosives, on hand. This was considered sufficient as any war was certain to be over in a few weeks or at most four months. Thomas Angel had demonstrated this in his book after all.

If the Germans had not developed the ability to pull nitrogen out of the air and convert it to a suitable nitrate the war would have ended after the first year when the Germans had nothing to go boom left.

It was German meddling in Mexico that would eventually draw the Americans into the War despite the determination of Wilson to avoid the war and continue in neutrality until the belligerants stopped acting like children.

If anything caused the first World War, it was arrogance. The Frence arrogantly believed they could defeat the Germans no matter what plan the Germans had. The Germans arrogantly believed they could defeat France in thirty days. The British arrogantly believed that six divisions of troops would make all the difference in the world against an army that had more than a million trained men in uniform. The Russians arrogantly believed that they could fight the war like it was not the age of machine guns and cannon.

Everybody was wrong, and everybody suffered.

Read The Guns of August for a nice overview of what caused the war. It is said that it was one of JFK's favorite books and was part of the reason he managed to avoid World War III over the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It's about oil? Who knew? Scuba Mar 2014 #1
Major General Smedley Butler Dollface Mar 2014 #31
Viet Nam was about OIL coldbeer Mar 2014 #44
Also Rubber plantations. nt Javaman Mar 2014 #142
Very silly cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #2
I agree. aristocles Mar 2014 #3
I imagine there were lots of people back then who thought the same thing. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #4
Fall in line with the propaganda that it's about "democracy" Catherina Mar 2014 #9
Spreading freedom like we are at home......... BlueJac Mar 2014 #17
+1. I'm keeping an eye on that one too. That might help the Senate wake up a bit n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #25
I was told today on DU, believe it or not, that spying on the Senate 'is about transparency'! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #138
Why don't you mention that Russia also fracks for gas? And why are you on this site if you don't okaawhatever Mar 2014 #21
Russia is fracking in the US? Since when? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #23
Support democracy? zeemike Mar 2014 #41
Many can't get over themselves. Igel Mar 2014 #5
The odd thing about your list is that most of it is true. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #7
I hope you didn't work too long on that nonsensical post n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #12
QED. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #19
Why are giving billions of dollars to Ukraine right now? Is just altruism or an investment, and if sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24
We don't "give" anything. JEB Mar 2014 #97
Your right we take a lot. go west young man Mar 2014 #123
Thanks for the link. JEB Mar 2014 #124
Well that was subtle... Catherina Mar 2014 #10
not a good piece, but the claim itself- isn't silly cali Mar 2014 #42
Your refutation of things I have never said is noted. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #52
Your logic is flawless... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #141
Yup. Oil and gas. And big oil wants us foot the bill for their war. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #6
Thank you n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #11
Well done. Good graphics. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #66
Old news Token Republican Mar 2014 #8
What do you think it's about? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #13
Naw, here's the news- We're going to frack away in the US, Ukraine and export American natural gas Catherina Mar 2014 #18
That's not fair ctsnowman Mar 2014 #26
Event was sponsored by Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Monsanto... Lovely eh? Catherina Mar 2014 #32
omg. listening to this Neo-Con rah rah speech is sickening 2banon Mar 2014 #105
Some interesting comments at the link. nt raccoon Mar 2014 #14
That's what I like about CD Catherina Mar 2014 #16
World War II was about oil, and ProSense Mar 2014 #15
You want us to spend our money defending big oil? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #68
"It's about oil" is the lunatic-left's equivalent of "It's about Benghazi" ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #20
Hi Conservative, nice to see you again. Why don't you tell us what it is about? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22
Hi Sabrina. I'm rather amused you're stalking me. Enjoy your irrelevance. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #27
You're beyond transparent. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #28
Sure, we Dems have heard all that before, now that you got it out of your system ... sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #33
No, Sabrina, we DEMOCRATS have heard it all before... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #47
"Given your obvious hatred towards the President" sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #51
I'm supposed to "come up with research" on how you hate Obama... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #99
They didn't poll me. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #35
why don't you ask a Ukrainian? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #90
That's a great idea, when are the elections? We haven't heard from the Ukrainian people sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #104
So what exactly is the difference between a Conservative Democrat and a Republican Catherina Mar 2014 #29
So what do you call yourself? Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #40
Sorry, this thread is about oil, wars and Ukraine Catherina Mar 2014 #45
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #50
Results of The Jury. bvar22 Mar 2014 #56
Thanks to jurors 3-6 n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #60
I'm sorry, but no. Just no. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #30
Waste of time nails it. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #34
Some on the left are becoming like the right: history dunces. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #38
No kidding. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #39
Not that it matters considering the last elections in the whole country. go west young man Mar 2014 #125
I couldn't agree more! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43
Well how ever many ways there are, this forum will find them all Number23 Mar 2014 #65
You really, really need to work on your reading skills. Let me bold a passage for you Catherina Mar 2014 #46
I read this quite well, thank you. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #55
Actually... Javaman Mar 2014 #143
Thanks for your great comment here. I totally agree with you. Catherina Mar 2014 #146
I corrected it to reflect the authors opinion not yours. :) Javaman Mar 2014 #148
Actually, the assassination was not the cause dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #71
Thanks for this great addition about Europe's pre-WWI jockeying for oil domination Catherina Mar 2014 #73
Another good book is The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #75
That was one of my favorite books! Highly recommended Catherina Mar 2014 #78
"the first British regiment to be deployed in the First World War goes to Basara dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #79
I'm dusting off his book right now to reread it and googling to see what he has to say about Ukraine Catherina Mar 2014 #96
I have The Quest, have not yet read it. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #100
Just pick it up one afternoon, you won't be able to put it down Catherina Mar 2014 #110
No. Again, it *was* the assassination that caused the war(well, in our world anyway). AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #82
Ok..I'll bite...why was the death of Ferdinand so important? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #84
The Austrians were most upset, but they weren't the only ones. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #86
+1 nt Javaman Mar 2014 #144
News to me. malthaussen Mar 2014 #36
That's not entirely true. German influence on the Ottomon Empire was threatening British Oil... Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #53
Oil was already of huge importance for WWI. Germany, then the UK, were converting navies to oil Catherina Mar 2014 #54
Unrec. More commondreams silliness. FSogol Mar 2014 #37
Common Dreams has some great writers. Just like any forum or website. madfloridian Mar 2014 #48
Perhaps, but the contemptible dreck that gets posted here makes a pretty ridiculous sample. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #64
What is it about then? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #49
Not to mention an ignorance of history. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #57
Oh? Robert Newman's History of Oil . Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #80
amazing qazplm Mar 2014 #58
Mr. Freeman couldn't be more wrong if he tried Savannahmann Mar 2014 #59
Very interesting but please see post 54 Catherina Mar 2014 #63
No! No! No! WWI was about "Making the world safe for democracy" and to "End all wars". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #61
The denial is shockingly strong on this one. On basics at that n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #70
It really wasn't about oil, to be truthful. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #85
Our WAR with Japan was...ultimately...about oil too. bvar22 Mar 2014 #62
What have they been teaching in history classes? Catherina Mar 2014 #69
That was an unusual High School History Class, you went to Catherina 2banon Mar 2014 #101
I admit Catherina Mar 2014 #111
And I grew up in the military... 2banon Mar 2014 #118
Ex marine posting against all this war for oil bullshit too. go west young man Mar 2014 #126
I'm what was referred to as "dependent" back in the day.. 2banon Mar 2014 #131
Ah cool... go west young man Mar 2014 #132
omg, when? 2banon Mar 2014 #134
Long time ago now. go west young man Mar 2014 #136
I'm a musician too! LOL! 2banon Mar 2014 #137
Dad was stationed in all three places, plus El Toro and Kaneohe 2banon Mar 2014 #135
Some truth to that. But even with WWII, oil wasn't a *primary* cause for war, even with Japan. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #87
cosmic-ironically, Washington had planned to ignore Japan--until Pearl Harbor MisterP Mar 2014 #106
Actually, the Ukraine is about Kevin Bacon. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #67
I believe Mr. Freeman should have spent whistler162 Mar 2014 #72
ohhhh...I did not see the part where he only studied history for an hour. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #77
I was being slightly snide about his credentials..... whistler162 Mar 2014 #103
Very much agreed. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #88
With Journalists Under Attack, Crimea Faces ‘Information Crisis’ Ahead Of National Referendum ProSense Mar 2014 #74
World War I was about colonialism for resources. Hmmmm, just like our invasion of Iraq I think lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #76
Did you know that Britain was in Iraq for decades? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #81
And? Still doesn't change the facts: WWI was primarily fought over *European* geopolitical tensions. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #83
I think you are right. Definitely in regard to the outbreak of the war caused by the assassination lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #93
Yeah. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #94
Good information, thanks lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #95
The Ottoman Empire controlled that whole region for about 500 years until western colonialism I lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #92
Mid 1800's the oil tycoons were already trying to snatch everything up Catherina Mar 2014 #113
Russia RAWKS! Putin RAWKS! geek tragedy Mar 2014 #89
Like maybe they want a chance to get rid of the unbelievably bad corruption amandabeech Mar 2014 #91
Wow..."fuckwits"... go west young man Mar 2014 #127
Um, yeah, your parroting of rt.com's dispatches from Putin's desk geek tragedy Mar 2014 #128
Those are your words..not mine. go west young man Mar 2014 #129
Couple that with you seem extra upset tonight. go west young man Mar 2014 #130
Recommend! Great History Lesson...Thanks..! KoKo Mar 2014 #98
Thanks Koko! n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #112
There's always a truth, but it's seldom told by the MSM nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #102
Thanks Catherina - your contributions soundsgreat Mar 2014 #107
Wow, thanks. That's extremely kind and gracious of you n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #114
Hi Catherina. Yep, without a basic knowledge of history and the sciences... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #108
Which is why the educational fight posters like MadFloridian and StarryMessenger Catherina Mar 2014 #116
PS: Unless I miss my guess, I think you'll find this very interesting: Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #109
Thanks, I opened it and will read it tonight Catherina Mar 2014 #115
Extremely chewy, IMHO. Hence why I read it on a beach... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #140
Bookmarked malaise Mar 2014 #120
Best, most detailed in outline, treatment I've ever found of the, say, 1920 thru 1979 period.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #121
Here's why this theory is stupid. ProSense Mar 2014 #117
great point about the olympics JI7 Mar 2014 #119
It's simply about us paying for another war for big oil & gas. Iraq was 3+ trillion, let's just grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #149
This is some serious craziness Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #122
Putin Expressed his Objection to NATO membership in 2008 2banon Mar 2014 #133
+1 n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #139
Of course it's about oil Oilwellian Mar 2014 #145
As our politics lurch further to the right, with the lunatic rich rearranging the world Catherina Mar 2014 #147
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