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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. This is about temperature, not carbon dioxide
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:34 AM
Mar 2012

The IPCC basically tried to minimize the Medieval Warm Period, at least in its earlier reports, as being a local European phenomena, and then not very warm at all.

This study shows that the Medieval Warm Period of relatively elevated temperatures extended to Antarctica.

So the problem for global climate modelers is to be able to run climate simulations that reproduce a global MWP, rather than a local minor one.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X12000659

Calcium carbonate can crystallize in a hydrated form as ikaite at low temperatures. The hydration water in ikaite grown in laboratory experiments records the ?18O of ambient water, a feature potentially useful for reconstructing ?18O of local seawater. We report the first downcore ?18O record of natural ikaite hydration waters and crystals collected from the Antarctic Peninsula (AP), a region sensitive to climate fluctuations. We are able to establish the zone of ikaite formation within shallow sediments, based on porewater chemical and isotopic data. Having constrained the depth of ikaite formation and ?18O of ikaite crystals and hydration waters, we are able to infer local changes in fjord ?18O versus time during the late Holocene. This ikaite record qualitatively supports that both the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age extended to the Antarctic Peninsula.


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Scientists use rare mineral to correlate past climate events in Europe, Antarctica

http://www.syr.edu/news/articles/2012/ikaite-03-12.html

To understand the present, scientists look for ways to unlock information about past climate hidden in the fossil record. A team of scientists led by Syracuse University geochemist Zunli Lu has found a new key in the form of ikaite, a rare mineral that forms in cold waters. Composed of calcium carbonate and water, ikaite crystals can be found off the coasts of Antarctica and Greenland.

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Ikaite crystals incorporate ocean bottom water into their structure as they form. During cooling periods, when ice sheets are expanding, ocean bottom water accumulates heavy oxygen isotopes (oxygen 18). When glaciers melt, fresh water, enriched in light oxygen isotopes (oxygen 16), mixes with the bottom water. The scientists analyzed the ratio of the oxygen isotopes in the hydration water and in the calcium carbonate. They compared the results with climate conditions established in Northern Europe across a 2,000-year time frame. They found a direct correlation between the rise and fall of oxygen 18 in the crystals and the documented warming and cooling periods.



“We showed that the Northern European climate events influenced climate conditions in Antarctica,” Lu says. “More importantly, we are extremely happy to figure out how to get a climate signal out of this peculiar mineral. A new proxy is always welcome when studying past climate changes.”
Extremely vague statement tabatha Mar 2012 #1
+1 ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #2
"warming-alarmist" in the first sentence immediately colours whatever this article is saying... SidDithers Mar 2012 #3
Precisely. n/t ljm2002 Mar 2012 #9
Agreed. mmonk Mar 2012 #12
That's what Bohunk68 Mar 2012 #18
More junk science from denier Lewis Page JBoy Mar 2012 #4
he has quite a record..., G_j Mar 2012 #19
LOL... good lawd fascisthunter Mar 2012 #5
Lewis page also believes pscot Mar 2012 #6
The term "climate change" is vague enough to allow for an ice age. Boojatta Mar 2012 #8
My understanding is that if the Gulf Stream fails hootinholler Mar 2012 #34
How quickly did the warming occur? mmonk Mar 2012 #7
while the author of the article is a bit of a kook... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #10
The study probably does not say what the reporter/columnist asserts it says Viking12 Mar 2012 #14
The study does claim in the abstract ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #16
"This ikaite record qualitatively supports..." Viking12 Mar 2012 #20
yes...that is why i said IF... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #21
Nope. No quantitative data at all. Viking12 Mar 2012 #24
so, would it then contradict the other data ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #25
My super-fast reading is that it is in line withing existing proxy analyses back to at least the LIA Viking12 Mar 2012 #26
ahhh, that would 'splain it ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #28
If that story were any more slanted the words would slide right off my screen. nt Codeine Mar 2012 #11
What complete Bunk Bandit Mar 2012 #13
This is about temperature, not carbon dioxide FarCenter Mar 2012 #15
There are numerous methodologies to determine past climate changes. DCBob Mar 2012 #22
The statement that is being contested is the following: FarCenter Mar 2012 #29
The article referenced in the OP does nothing to 'contest' the IPCC Viking12 Mar 2012 #30
The lead researcher was quoted in the Syracuse University release as saying: FarCenter Mar 2012 #32
So? That says NOTHING about your false assertions about the MWP and the IPCC. Viking12 Mar 2012 #33
The Medieval Warm Period was actually cooler than what we considered "normal" temperatures Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #17
I doubt that pre-fossil fuel populations would have influenced climate due to biofuel burning FarCenter Mar 2012 #23
Medieval Bikini Babe... Tikki Mar 2012 #27
It's F'n Lewis Page exagerating - again intaglio Mar 2012 #31
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