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another_liberal

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12. In this current situation . . .
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:25 AM
Mar 2014

The use of deadly military force would be extremely foolish. You are completely correct concerning the protection of human life being paramount. In this current situation, we must remain calm and pragmatic. Military force by anyone involved could lead to the kind of wholesale bloodshed, destruction and death that no sane person can possibly want to see.

Crimea, as you note, was only added to Ukraine sixty years ago, and even after that transfer they both remained within the Soviet Union. I seriously doubt such an action would have even been considered had people at the time foreseen a breaking up of the Soviet Union itself. That makes Crimean independence a different situation than it would be if one of the States of the United States, for example, attempted to secede and become its own country. I think it is entirely justified for the citizens of Crimea to have a free and fair vote to decide the question of their independence, or continued status as a part of the larger Ukraine.

Ethnic make up of Crimea. [View all] another_liberal Feb 2014 OP
I worry more about their politics. Coyotl Feb 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Mar 2014 #2
If there is to be a referendum the Russians should withdraw so it is fair. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3
Your absolutely right. amandabeech Mar 2014 #4
It is actually impossible while the Russians are there Scootaloo Mar 2014 #27
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Are you in Ukraine currently? TBF Mar 2014 #7
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I don't know the history TBF Mar 2014 #13
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Agreed... but it's not like they will be far away... Adrahil Mar 2014 #6
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Following WWII, the Crimean Tatars were mostly forcibly relocated by the Soviet Union.. Adrahil Mar 2014 #16
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I would more or less agree.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #28
That would, though, be the green light for Svoboda to move into Crimea. another_liberal Mar 2014 #9
So you are now on the record for supporting the Russian occupation. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #29
I would prefer it that Ukraine would stay one country . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #8
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In this current situation . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #12
Assuming the 41.5% who are not ethnic Russians vote No, it would only take a few pampango Mar 2014 #14
Your last point, about countries with large and small armies is spot on. another_liberal Mar 2014 #17
We shall see but I doubt too many non-Russians in Crimea think that Putin pampango Mar 2014 #19
I think the Crimean referendum is to be for or against independence . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #20
The new Crimean leader changed the referendum date from May 25 (passed by parliament) to March 30 pampango Mar 2014 #21
They do need to work on the wording, or on the translation . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #23
The perception of outside influence could easily affect such a vote ... Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #22
Yes, there will be many influences at play . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #24
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