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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. My take on this is ...
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
Mar 2014

that some people's relationship to politics is purely oppositional. Half-measures or incremental progress is never seen as acceptable. Let's call it, to be nice, "perfectionism."

I understand this attitude. I had it myself in another context, but once I realized how unproductive it was I tried my hardest to abandon it. In graduate school I sort of made my name by picking apart the theoretical positions or analyses that others were producing in my field. It was successful to the extent that my professors and others were impressed with my ability to find the flaws in complex theories, etc. But I knew it was a total fake: all I knew how to do was criticize. I knew in my heart I could not creatively devise a theoretical position of my own. Or if I did, it would be just as flawed, if not more so, than those I was critiquing. It meant I was never going to do something important, and I eventually left the field.

Same in politics: we can nitpick and criticize all we want. But the people trying to make actual real policy that helps people--maybe not all people, but just a few, or as just a start that can be built upon--and who are trying to do it in the midst of a messy and contentious political environment in which one must compromise with one's enemies at times in order to move another thing forward: these are the real political success stories. Not the people who make proclamations that say all the "right" things in fundraising emails, and not the grandstanders who never are in the position of having to actually accomplish something.

There are real things to rail against and to fight for, but -- as you say -- there is also a need to give credit where credit is due. I admire the people who actually accomplish things in the political realm, no matter how imperfect these things may be. They are the creators, not the nitpickers.

So my take is: if you have nothing but oppositional critique to make in politics, you should get out of the game and concentrate on something else.

My take on this is ... frazzled Mar 2014 #1
Excellent post . Thank you. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #2
Yes, you said it much better than I did. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #3
Your OP was great frazzled Mar 2014 #4
Thank you. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #11
My frustrations come when ANY criticism of any policy is painted with the broad brush of "purism". Scuba Mar 2014 #5
Welcome to DU Frazzled. I agree with your advice. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #17
Very well said...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #18
This is awesome! I also suggest an OP Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #33
That was so good to hear... Whisp Mar 2014 #46
Nailed it in the first post. And what gets me about the type of people you have described Number23 Mar 2014 #51
If you review the history of how that 'very clear wording was added to the bill' you will find Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #6
+1, the OP has some chutzpah. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #10
Excellent post. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #12
Good point. polichick Mar 2014 #25
exactly zipplewrath Mar 2014 #27
Huh? Vermont's healthcare system really hasn't much to do with the ACA cali Mar 2014 #7
Initially, ACA did not allow for States to make better programs, the State Innovation Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #8
So the initial ACA made single payer illegal MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #52
Wrong. Vermont could not do it without the funding provided by the ACA. pnwmom Mar 2014 #24
I'm sorry, but I've lived here and been engaged with politics here for over 30 years cali Mar 2014 #41
They've been working on it for 20 years, and haven't succeeded -- pnwmom Mar 2014 #44
The funding is what I was referring to. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #48
Welcome to DU, BBR Esq. pnwmom Mar 2014 #49
Thank you. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #50
Why should we listen to you about Vermont? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #35
lol. because Vermont has no more of a heroin epidemic than any other state cali Mar 2014 #42
Hiding subtle stuff in "very clever wording" is not what you do to get progressive applause. bemildred Mar 2014 #9
Huh? BBR Esq Mar 2014 #13
That's good to know. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #14
Hopefully, many decades after Canada did so..... joanbarnes Mar 2014 #15
It only took us 60 years to abolish slavery after England did it... eggplant Mar 2014 #19
And it has been 60 years sense England adopted universal health care zeemike Mar 2014 #22
Yup. eggplant Mar 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #16
You always can. The question is whether you will. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #20
"frothing-at-the-mouth dross and bullshit I have to wade through here to find it gets tiresome" Fumesucker Mar 2014 #26
It IS remarkable the there are people that just HATE this site now, yet continuously Rex Mar 2014 #32
Poster was very clear as to why Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #36
The poster could do that without adding to the bullshit Fumesucker Mar 2014 #47
Interesting that you can only see one side, those who are often critical Fumesucker Mar 2014 #21
I'm not above anyone as far as this subject goes. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #23
So, no answer then to his question? Rex Mar 2014 #31
I'm not fond of party over substance. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #37
I'm angry with your party, too. Iggo Mar 2014 #29
Huh? BBR Esq Mar 2014 #39
So how do you feel about blind hero worship? Rex Mar 2014 #30
Bad thing. BBR Esq Mar 2014 #38
The plan that my children and I are on lumps us all together and we have a family liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #34
I completely agree with your assessment. Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #40
We needed a public service, and was given a consumer product 1000words Mar 2014 #43
At this stage no credit is due, you are speaking of things that are not as though they were. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #45
You inadvertently forgot to credit the Heritage Foundation? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #53
Ron Wyden is a member of the Heritage Foundation? BBR Esq Mar 2014 #55
No, but could Wyden and Bernie have filed the amendment MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #56
The ACA is not bad.... for a Republican "Market Based" Solution... bvar22 Mar 2014 #54
Hell yeah. Pelosi deserves our thanks. RobertEarl Mar 2014 #57
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