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62. If they are as corrupt and murderous as that thug who just got removed, yes.

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:26 PM

Feb 2014

Boo hoo that the criminal murdering kleptocrat got replaced.

Getting elected does not entitle someone to rule as a dictator.

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Should the United States be supporting the new government of Ukraine? [View all] another_liberal Feb 2014 OP

Why wouldn't we support it? We helped make it happen. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #1

It might also force Europe to buy its natural gas supplies from other sources . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #2

Were it able to do so dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #4

Thanks for that clarification. another_liberal Feb 2014 #8

I got the impression it is dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #11

So they went across the other side of the Baltic? another_liberal Feb 2014 #12

Hadn't followed it but take your word for it. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #13

I'm not an expert on the Nord Stream project, not by any means. another_liberal Feb 2014 #15

Two lines in operation -- 27.5 billion cubic metres (970 billion cubic feet) of gas annually each FarCenter Feb 2014 #17

Oh please, Nord Stream is Putin's way of controlling the countries it bypasses and giving himself a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #32

Russian gas lines to Europe via Ukraine El_Johns Feb 2014 #82

Well, that and Putin's stooge was a corrupt murderer nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #61

We helped make Egypt happen, too Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #89

I'm not sure anyone will GIVE them anything. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #3

Five percent of agricultural land in the whole country? another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

5% of the country : 9% of arable farmland. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #10

Thanks, which is why it was astounding to see support for the 'protesters' here. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #18

Britain is a member of the EU but not of the Euro. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #25

Thanks for the correction on the UK. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #28

you need to educate yourself on the topic before spouting off Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #43

How about you 'educate' us on the subject being that you have such disdain sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #50

Some people can tolerate no alternate points of view. another_liberal Feb 2014 #79

Thank you and I thank you for having the ability to state your opinion AND defend it sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #81

That's kind of a rude tone to take with one of your fellow DU members. another_liberal Feb 2014 #78

I think a wait and see approach is warrented. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #5

That would be my preference also. another_liberal Feb 2014 #9

In the case of the UK dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #6

Your so called "poll: is a joke. Should we "give them our money". You also ignore the very serious okaawhatever Feb 2014 #14

You don't like it that passionately? another_liberal Feb 2014 #16

it is a joke and you know it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #45

You are seriously misrepresenting the situation. The new president is not from Svoboda muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #59

You're right that Turchynov is not of the party known as Svoboda, he is only closely allied with it. another_liberal Feb 2014 #69

My remarks are highly warranted; you continue to get things wrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #70

A greater expert on Ukrainian politics . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #71

I quoted what you had made up - the "leading political party" BS muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #72

No, he is not the only one suggesting that. another_liberal Feb 2014 #73

While you spout misleading BS, it's important to point out you're wrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #74

When one side of a debate starts to resort to personal attacks. another_liberal Feb 2014 #75

I'm attacking your posts muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #76

"Us ?" - wasn't aware the US bought Russian gas dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #19

Ukraine's imports and exports with Russia are almost equal. If russia stopped buying Ukraine's okaawhatever Feb 2014 #34

I'll leave you to search for the reason dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #36

Cutting off imports: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #54

Do you support forcing a country into the EU if they believe it will not benefit them? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #21

What "new government"? Elections are scheduled for May. FarCenter Feb 2014 #20

What if the new government agrees with the duly elected leaders now overthrown in a sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #22

You keep remarking that the citizens of Ukraine didn't want an EU deal. That simply isn't true. They okaawhatever Feb 2014 #39

people are deeply invested in the propaganda fed to them by Greenwald and company Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #47

No kidding. It amazes me what I'm learning abut some of these people Defending Putin's tactics is a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #57

Did I miss something? What does Greenwald have to do with this? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #99

They elected him, didn't they? And if they didn't like his policies, who does after sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #52

It wasn't a policy disagreement. It was a wholesale change in the future of the country. It's not okaawhatever Feb 2014 #55

None of that explains why the election could not have been used to oust him. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #58

The President was elected as a pro-EU candidate. He continued to pursue a path to EU membership okaawhatever Feb 2014 #60

Obama was elected as a pro-Public Option candidate, anti Insurance Mandate but then sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #65

Absolute friggin' bulls%T. Obama DID NOT RUN ON SINGLE PAYER OPTION!!!!!!! He long said okaawhatever Feb 2014 #68

You're not addressing what Sabrina said. Obama did indeed run against the individual mandate and... JVS Feb 2014 #83

If they are as corrupt and murderous as that thug who just got removed, yes. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

Yay for Coup D'etats. Thanks, that's what I was trying to find out about this 'new left' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #67

They are certainly acting like a government . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #23

Their "new government" dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #26

Thank you. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #35

No. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #24

why admit you're undercutting your argument by bringing up Hitler and then bring up Hitler? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

My point being that some people in America were all enamored with Mr. Hitler Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #51

People get enamoured with any number of people. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #53

I give up. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #56

The whole question of the Ukraine is far from settled sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #27

Why do you think a split would upset Putin? Seriously, I don't know sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #30

I have met not only people from both sides in the Ukaraine, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #33

Don't think that would miff Putin. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #31

I would not give them money, but we (along with others) should certainly help them. pampango Feb 2014 #29

We need to stop giving other countries money (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #37

The interim President is not a member of Svoboda. Svoboda is far from a majority in the Rada. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #38

thank you. I read earlier that Yulia said she wouldn't run. I think that's a good idea since she okaawhatever Feb 2014 #40

I agree re Yulia. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #42

really sad to see the lies being pushed about Ukrainian protests on this site Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #49

Thanks. I began reading up on the situation and learned of some of the neo-cons and right wingers okaawhatever Feb 2014 #80

of course we have to support the interim govt, when it arrives. provisionally. librechik Feb 2014 #41

I did not support the government a violent coup installed in Egypt, and I still don't. another_liberal Feb 2014 #93

so ...you would be opposed to the bloody War of Independence, I gather librechik Feb 2014 #94

Was King George III democratically elected? another_liberal Feb 2014 #95

so... it's not the bloodiness you are objecting to, but the lack of democracy? librechik Feb 2014 #96

I think your poll and OP are highly misleading muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #44

Unless the OP has an agenda to push.....nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #46

Is opposition to violent overthrow of democratically elected governments . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #86

Your opinion. another_liberal Feb 2014 #87

I give the new government in Ukraine 2 months max LittleBlue Feb 2014 #63

I have to agree. another_liberal Feb 2014 #90

I am not sure and am trying to grasp the reality of the situation as best I can. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #64

Don't feel alone . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #92

A. Pushing Russian propaganda. B. What government? DevonRex Feb 2014 #66

The European Union Parliament . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #77

EU prepared to support Ukrainian reforms with 20 billion euros muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #84

The top EU leadership does seem to be supporting this new Ukrainian government, for now. another_liberal Feb 2014 #85

Wait and see Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #88

Sage advice. another_liberal Feb 2014 #91

Heh.... no agenda here, eh? Adrahil Feb 2014 #97

What "Kremlin appologists?" I ain't seen none round here. another_liberal Feb 2014 #103

Depends on extensively you define "support" WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #98

I agree, humanitarian aid is fully warranted and, most likely, badly needed. another_liberal Feb 2014 #102

What government? There doesn't seem to be one there. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #100

I'm afraid that does seem to be the lay of the land. another_liberal Feb 2014 #101