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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:09 PM Feb 2014

Do we give them the satisfaction of stealing it? [View all]

A lot of discussion over the past couple of days on the wisdom or idiocy of serving food like fried chicken, watermelon, corn bread and collard greens to celebrate black heritage. Celebrating soul food? Or feeding a stereotype?

I took a slightly-risky swipe at the situation with a post last night celebrating Ashkenazi Jewish foods. Please know that was having fun with the situation, the back-and-forth between opposing points of view, rather than attacking either point of view. The fact is, I'm not sure where I stand on this.

While I'm not sure who's correct, I will say that my inclination is to not allow the bad guys to steal from us. A number of years ago, Republicans demonized the word "Liberal" so many Liberals started calling themselves "Progressives". I think that's a bad idea. We win by fighting, not by letting others claim whats ours.

In the case of my joking about Jewish foods, it struck me today that I was inadvertently being a little stupid (first time ever, right?), since my post could have been construed as "See black folks? I can have fun with foods that *my* people eat: why can't you?" But there's a reason that it's easier for me than for black folks: the Jewish experience in America has been unbelievably different than the Black experience. Jews have had some issues (e.g., the Italian Catholic kids used to beat on the Jewish kids when I grew up in Queens), but basically we've been as accepted into our nation about as smoothly as any other minority - perhaps even more smoothly than any other. Blacks, on the other hand, started off here with SLAVERY. @#$%ing SLAVERY. And for a century-and-a-half since that was over, they've suffered so many other depradations and degradations, terrible, terrible stuff. In their case, perhaps the pain is so great that it's best avoided rather than launching it back at the savages.

So, I apologize for my post. I should have been a bit more thoughtful.

That being said... can I ask that we generally try to NOT GIVE THE BAD GUYS AN INCH? When they claim our words, our ideas, or our other "intellectual property", we become small every time the words are used; we give them power over us. I suggest that we claim what is ours with pride, gusto, and the number "one" displayed on our digitus medius.

This is probably not always appropriate. But I suspect that it usually is. Your thoughts welcome.

Mostly, let's be friends with each other, and let's win. We need to pull together the largest group that we can, as soon as we can, to grab a rope and pull the 99% from the quicksand the 1%'s poured on us while we weren't paying attention.

Best regards,

First-Way Manny

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OK, but being a Cheesehead, I'm sticking with Progressive, capital-P Progressive. Scuba Feb 2014 #1
That's my reason for using the term. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #4
OK, you guys are grandfathered in. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #12
sounds good to me. exept the middle finger. that's too course for my Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #2
And too difficult to spell. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #3
no. I refuse to fix it! I do not except your challenge!! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #5
Well, to tell the truth, it's a little too refined for my sensibilities. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #6
I am glad you apologized, because that was clueless. If you had somehow related it to stereotypes bettyellen Feb 2014 #7
we ? JI7 Feb 2014 #8
and the term liberal being used negatively still is not in the same category at fried chicken JI7 Feb 2014 #9
Was the fried chicken at lunch being used negatively? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #11
what has that got to do with anything ? is anyone saying people should not eat these foods? JI7 Feb 2014 #13
You wrote "fried chicken and watermelon being used to attack blacks" MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #15
so you don't know about how fried chicken and watermelon have been used as a racist JI7 Feb 2014 #16
Yes, that's exactly what I said. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #17
. dionysus Feb 2014 #20
it was implied when you bring up some black chef JI7 Feb 2014 #21
I'm starting to think they are just never going to get that "reverse Squinch Feb 2014 #28
Okay... panader0 Feb 2014 #10
Whenever my kid starts yelling at me in the car MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #14
LOL. I love War. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #23
Good on you for apologizing, Manny! Sissyk Feb 2014 #18
But fried chicken is delicious. reusrename Feb 2014 #19
I agree with you but........you are Jewish? I never had a clue. Not that there is anything wrong rhett o rick Feb 2014 #22
Wait- WHUT? I thought this never happened? bettyellen Feb 2014 #24
Where did I say that? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #25
Ohhh - you rhyme as well as dog whistle! bettyellen Feb 2014 #27
Happy to be of service JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #26
Did you have the same realization... TDale313 Feb 2014 #29
Next we'll get a scathing satire of LBGT's and their quest bettyellen Feb 2014 #30
I thought there was nothing to apologize for Manny? bettyellen Feb 2014 #31
Again, that's not what I said. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #32
LOL... Juror #1: WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #33
I like Juror #5 a lot more Number23 Feb 2014 #35
That's nice. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #36
Not loving the smirks either? bettyellen Feb 2014 #37
You make light of DUers who take issue with racism or sexism- bettyellen Feb 2014 #34
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