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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. Seriously,
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 10:34 AM
Feb 2014
They try to obfuscate the message of progressives by co-opting it in that way. Hey, we all like Obama. No question.

He just isn't strongly enough committed to justice and, in spite of is rhetoric, to equal opportunity. To have equal opportunity, as another DU post so aptly pointed out today, you have to have something approaching economic equality. Economic equality does not mean that everybody gets the same income. It means that the gap between poor and rich is not so huge that it is in reality almost insurmountable. It means that, as long as there are rich people with several houses, houses that they cannot reside in at one time, anyone who works and contributes will earn enough to feed, clothe and care for a family.

Obama talks the talk on this issue, but, really, even his health care bill will mean that the rich at the top of the health insurance companies continue to get a bigger than life slice of our health care dollars while the rest of us struggle to pay deductibles and co-pays. I back Obama on the ACA, but I wish he had included single payer advocates at the table in the discussions prior to the passage of the ACA. Excluding them was an example of Obama's weakness and lack of courage.

Obama always gives the top dogs, the plutocrats in the country, their 30 pieces of silver.

....this completely ignores reality.

The heatlh care law raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.

Net Investment Income Tax

A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.

Additional Medicare Tax

A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual’s wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individual’s filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions

Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415

A CBO Report Shows How Obamacare Will Help the Working Poor
http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rediscovering-government/cbo-report-shows-how-obamacare-will-help-working-poor
Even more ProSense Feb 2014 #1
Absolutely! Thanks for saying it, Cali! markpkessinger Feb 2014 #2
it's embarrassingly obvious. so thinly veiled. cali Feb 2014 #5
K&R! I'm glad it is so obvious. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #47
It's obvious. Because it's clear that policies and issues are never what they talk about. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #82
Thank you, Sabrina. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #88
I agree. However, they may be changing minds, inadvertently. The more we see of them sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #89
Excellent point. One I should have considered......nt Enthusiast Feb 2014 #90
What's more, you can't even get them to state any policy position. All they do is link to barages of grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #105
Yes, that is so true. Their purpose seems to be to prevent any kind of discussion regarding sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #115
I will not cede this ground. Funny how they will not engage when you ask their position. My guess is grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #118
You have also missed the point of those posts. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #95
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #3
+1000 Agony Feb 2014 #12
you nail it, JD. cali Feb 2014 #13
Seriously, ProSense Feb 2014 #15
This will make very little difference in the lives of working people and families. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #29
Unfrigginbelievable ProSense Feb 2014 #30
When Obama came into office, he faced an economic crisis due to the excessive JDPriestly Feb 2014 #73
Wrong, ProSense Feb 2014 #74
The underlying purpose and theory was the same. The amount changed. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #76
We still need to make the too-big-too-fail banks smaller and spread the risk in the banking JDPriestly Feb 2014 #83
The bank bailout, by comparison, was 16 to 20 TRILLION!!!! Look, are you for or against breaking up grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #109
Was anyone ever arrested and charged for the corruption in the mortgage business? We were sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #117
Your post needs more blue links. progressoid Feb 2014 #77
Do you know why people hate "blue links"? ProSense Feb 2014 #79
I thought it was the obfuscation and diversion. progressoid Feb 2014 #84
Nope, people who have backup for their points don't hate "blue links" nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #100
Probably because they usually Union Scribe Feb 2014 #86
This. +1 Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #104
Straw man. No one claimed that Obama hates Warren, geesh. People post blue links because they grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #110
Because obfuscation sucks AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #113
Running a little thin on the ROFL smilies, too. reusrename Feb 2014 #87
More ProSense Feb 2014 #16
Exceptions to the rule and related only to labor issues. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #22
WTH? ProSense Feb 2014 #25
And yet, as Elizabeth Warren has pointed out, the Justice Department as refused to bring JDPriestly Feb 2014 #34
That's fine ProSense Feb 2014 #41
Worshipers is accurate. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #44
Wait ProSense Feb 2014 #48
But I also support Obama's agenda on economic inequality. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #54
President Obama ProSense Feb 2014 #59
Nail on head +1000 Armstead Feb 2014 #23
Hit nerve? pocoloco Feb 2014 #32
Well said. zeemike Feb 2014 #40
Honestly, why can't we have people like you running the country? Enthusiast Feb 2014 #50
Your analysis is spot on in this thread. closeupready Feb 2014 #69
That gets you a <3 grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #106
....^ 840high Feb 2014 #112
Every post is a worthy read. Kurovski Feb 2014 #114
K&R bobduca Feb 2014 #116
du rec. xchrom Feb 2014 #4
Bush league psych-out stuff TransitJohn Feb 2014 #6
lol perfect. cali Feb 2014 #9
Odd how the contented are determined to try and spread discontent Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7
And furthermore, that's all they have, appeals to emotion and suggestive innuendoes. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #8
it's that it's so obvious. they should work harder at it. cali Feb 2014 #10
Well, I feel sorry for them really. bemildred Feb 2014 #11
They're scared of a populist movement. The corporatists would hate to see the People have a voice. Scuba Feb 2014 #14
+1 daleanime Feb 2014 #18
Bingo! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #56
Maybe one day we'll have a President of which the David Sirota types approve. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #17
You just sorta reinforced the OP Armstead Feb 2014 #26
Or one who doesn't ignore and disapprove of the very people who elected him/her. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #93
Funny how you consistently attack liberals and liberalism Scootaloo Feb 2014 #103
That road goes both ways.. lanes fully operational Peacetrain Feb 2014 #19
That's what a lot of the "carping" is about Armstead Feb 2014 #27
As I said above, we shall see whether the carping is just way out there or whether those who JDPriestly Feb 2014 #37
Why do you think there is so much continual "carping" from the right? Enthusiast Feb 2014 #60
. jsr Feb 2014 #20
It is "try to" treestar Feb 2014 #21
lol. what nonsense. who needs to use warren or bernie. it's in response to the coporate cali Feb 2014 #24
Oh gosh you've found us out...Busted! Armstead Feb 2014 #28
Compromise is only bad when President Obama does it. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #31
You distort the meaning of compromise Armstead Feb 2014 #33
Why use a hypothetical when you should have no problem finding JoePhilly Feb 2014 #35
The ACA is an example of wrong direction rather than compromise Armstead Feb 2014 #42
The PO was never going to pass. And its easy to prove. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #57
I haven't got time to go into the intricacies of that all over again but... Armstead Feb 2014 #62
Lieberman votes NO on your proposal. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #64
If one senator has the power to overcome the will of the Prez and majority of Denms in Congress.. Armstead Feb 2014 #67
+1 warrant46 Feb 2014 #61
Precisely. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #65
Well that is a good example of what is called compromise. zeemike Feb 2014 #49
And DADT itself was a 'compromise' made in 1993. So ten years later, as a compromise Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #72
So you would have prefered the alternative to DADT? Egnever Feb 2014 #107
Indeed. joshcryer Feb 2014 #81
It was Woodrow Wilson who crushed the Socialist Party. Laelth Feb 2014 #36
You characterize raising situations where these folks agreed with Obama as "tarnishing" them stevenleser Feb 2014 #38
The message that a certain category of peope are stupid and naive is what is bothersome Armstead Feb 2014 #51
That is not the subject of the OP which is what I am addressing. The OP characterizes stevenleser Feb 2014 #53
I don't always agree with the ways cali expresses things, but Armstead Feb 2014 #58
If there are no superheroes then there are no supervillains either Fumesucker Feb 2014 #92
Well said Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #96
well, that's not the only por sense of reality and history they show stupidicus Feb 2014 #39
Good points Armstead Feb 2014 #52
Well said. eom Agony Feb 2014 #68
It's a two-way street. Quotes and votes matter. Nobody is perfect. We can live with that. pampango Feb 2014 #43
I will never, ever fucking understand Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #45
Good Point supercats Feb 2014 #46
This is true, but the converse is just as prevalent and just as lame. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #55
It is hardly the case that I am the only one here sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #63
ooh, Kerry voted for the IWR, who cares right? ucrdem Feb 2014 #66
uh, discernment. voting for that was a big deal. bernie voted against it cali Feb 2014 #70
I'm not talking about Bernie. nt ucrdem Feb 2014 #71
It smacks of desperation. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #75
Totally! Rex Feb 2014 #85
what's laughable is Whisp Feb 2014 #78
"But Obama is very throw awayable and disposable, APPARENTLY." djean111 Feb 2014 #80
You're is a sad commentary on how you view the world. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #97
How he is, as a person, is non-political. djean111 Feb 2014 #98
Unrec brooklynite Feb 2014 #91
You've missed the point. Obama isn't as "corporatist" Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #94
They are being brought up to depress the vote Fumesucker Feb 2014 #99
They're called Right-lighters. n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #101
Republican Democrats, I've heard as well. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #111
Glad this got kicked again. woo me with science Feb 2014 #102
K & R L0oniX Feb 2014 #108
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