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In reply to the discussion: the consistent effort by conservative, corporate dems to try and tarnish progressive [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)15. Seriously,
They try to obfuscate the message of progressives by co-opting it in that way. Hey, we all like Obama. No question.
He just isn't strongly enough committed to justice and, in spite of is rhetoric, to equal opportunity. To have equal opportunity, as another DU post so aptly pointed out today, you have to have something approaching economic equality. Economic equality does not mean that everybody gets the same income. It means that the gap between poor and rich is not so huge that it is in reality almost insurmountable. It means that, as long as there are rich people with several houses, houses that they cannot reside in at one time, anyone who works and contributes will earn enough to feed, clothe and care for a family.
Obama talks the talk on this issue, but, really, even his health care bill will mean that the rich at the top of the health insurance companies continue to get a bigger than life slice of our health care dollars while the rest of us struggle to pay deductibles and co-pays. I back Obama on the ACA, but I wish he had included single payer advocates at the table in the discussions prior to the passage of the ACA. Excluding them was an example of Obama's weakness and lack of courage.
Obama always gives the top dogs, the plutocrats in the country, their 30 pieces of silver.
He just isn't strongly enough committed to justice and, in spite of is rhetoric, to equal opportunity. To have equal opportunity, as another DU post so aptly pointed out today, you have to have something approaching economic equality. Economic equality does not mean that everybody gets the same income. It means that the gap between poor and rich is not so huge that it is in reality almost insurmountable. It means that, as long as there are rich people with several houses, houses that they cannot reside in at one time, anyone who works and contributes will earn enough to feed, clothe and care for a family.
Obama talks the talk on this issue, but, really, even his health care bill will mean that the rich at the top of the health insurance companies continue to get a bigger than life slice of our health care dollars while the rest of us struggle to pay deductibles and co-pays. I back Obama on the ACA, but I wish he had included single payer advocates at the table in the discussions prior to the passage of the ACA. Excluding them was an example of Obama's weakness and lack of courage.
Obama always gives the top dogs, the plutocrats in the country, their 30 pieces of silver.
....this completely ignores reality.
The heatlh care law raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.
Net Investment Income Tax
A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.
Additional Medicare Tax
A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individuals wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individuals filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions
A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.
Additional Medicare Tax
A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individuals wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individuals filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions
Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415
A CBO Report Shows How Obamacare Will Help the Working Poor
http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rediscovering-government/cbo-report-shows-how-obamacare-will-help-working-poor
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the consistent effort by conservative, corporate dems to try and tarnish progressive [View all]
cali
Feb 2014
OP
It's obvious. Because it's clear that policies and issues are never what they talk about.
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#82
I agree. However, they may be changing minds, inadvertently. The more we see of them
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#89
What's more, you can't even get them to state any policy position. All they do is link to barages of
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#105
Yes, that is so true. Their purpose seems to be to prevent any kind of discussion regarding
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#115
I will not cede this ground. Funny how they will not engage when you ask their position. My guess is
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#118
This will make very little difference in the lives of working people and families.
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#29
When Obama came into office, he faced an economic crisis due to the excessive
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#73
We still need to make the too-big-too-fail banks smaller and spread the risk in the banking
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#83
The bank bailout, by comparison, was 16 to 20 TRILLION!!!! Look, are you for or against breaking up
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#109
Was anyone ever arrested and charged for the corruption in the mortgage business? We were
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#117
Straw man. No one claimed that Obama hates Warren, geesh. People post blue links because they
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#110
And yet, as Elizabeth Warren has pointed out, the Justice Department as refused to bring
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#34
And furthermore, that's all they have, appeals to emotion and suggestive innuendoes. nt
bemildred
Feb 2014
#8
They're scared of a populist movement. The corporatists would hate to see the People have a voice.
Scuba
Feb 2014
#14
Maybe one day we'll have a President of which the David Sirota types approve.
TheMathieu
Feb 2014
#17
Or one who doesn't ignore and disapprove of the very people who elected him/her.
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#93
As I said above, we shall see whether the carping is just way out there or whether those who
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#37
lol. what nonsense. who needs to use warren or bernie. it's in response to the coporate
cali
Feb 2014
#24
If one senator has the power to overcome the will of the Prez and majority of Denms in Congress..
Armstead
Feb 2014
#67
And DADT itself was a 'compromise' made in 1993. So ten years later, as a compromise
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#72
You characterize raising situations where these folks agreed with Obama as "tarnishing" them
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#38
The message that a certain category of peope are stupid and naive is what is bothersome
Armstead
Feb 2014
#51
That is not the subject of the OP which is what I am addressing. The OP characterizes
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#53
It's a two-way street. Quotes and votes matter. Nobody is perfect. We can live with that.
pampango
Feb 2014
#43
This is true, but the converse is just as prevalent and just as lame.
Donald Ian Rankin
Feb 2014
#55