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Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:15 AM Feb 2014

Some people found homosexuality so objectionable and "creepy" that... [View all]

They were absolutely SURE that homosexuals MUST be more likely to be pedophiles. They were homophobic assholes.

http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/

Dr. Judith Reisman was one of them.

Many people find the idea of a middle aged person sleeping with a younger sexually mature person "creepy" and that is their choice. But now we are supposed to believe that this makes THEM more likely to be pedophiles who rape pre-pubescent children.

Does this represent similar thinking? To me, yes, it does. It is a personal dislike based on a moral judgment elevated to the worst form of sexual exploitation that can be conceived of -and it is not logical nor does it survive a reasonable examination.

Pedophiles are people that are sexually excited by pre-pubescent children and act upon it. That is the definition and it is not a "soft" definition.

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Some people found homosexuality so objectionable and "creepy" that... [View all] Bonobo Feb 2014 OP

. dionysus Feb 2014 #1

I read here once zappaman Feb 2014 #2

I have no fucking clue what is happening. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #3

You're not missing much 1000words Feb 2014 #6

No, anti-semitism is criticism of Israeli government policy. Crunchy Frog Feb 2014 #160

Quiet month at the Presidential poutrage fest! whistler162 Feb 2014 #165

Woody Allen's daughter wrote an open letter in the NYTimes BainsBane Feb 2014 #176

Wow. We really are only one step away from accusing anyone who thinks Allen is guilty kcr Feb 2014 #4

Oh, he IS there. someone directly accused SKittles- he just hijacked the idea. bettyellen Feb 2014 #10

That analogy is wildly off-base. DirkGently Feb 2014 #5

"the guy does like fucking sub-adult females who know him as a father figure." Bonobo Feb 2014 #7

An 18 year old may not be - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #159

The step-daughter from age 10 is fair game at 18? DirkGently Feb 2014 #162

especially the grooming in the parental role. and likelihood that he waited until the seabeyond Feb 2014 #167

Your posts are exactly right on, and notice how they've gone unanswered R B Garr Feb 2014 #169

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #171

Shameful post- did you get the idea from whatever ass accused Skittles of being a homophobe? bettyellen Feb 2014 #8

Why do people care so much about these hollywood stars and their lives? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #13

Good question- why do you write so many very long impassioned posts about it? bettyellen Feb 2014 #14

I'm fascinated by the fascination and wondering why we can't get this kind sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #25

I'm not fascinated enough to read all that, but thanks anyway! bettyellen Feb 2014 #29

LOL. Bonobo Feb 2014 #50

Sabrina has always written many of the most fascinating posts polly7 Feb 2014 #168

the last thing I heard her post was nastily admonishing someone should not have l kids when the bettyellen Feb 2014 #170

It is important because it means that even being the daughter of someone rich and famous -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #157

Why no, I didn't. Bonobo Feb 2014 #15

It would have been quicker if I didn't have to choke down the vomit the OP induced. bettyellen Feb 2014 #18

"Creep". There we go again. Bonobo Feb 2014 #19

actually I expressed my feelings fully-That was super fucking creepy to read. Sad you need to accuse bettyellen Feb 2014 #21

Were you "creeped out" by Mia Farrow having relationships with Sinatra and Previn? Bonobo Feb 2014 #30

we were discussing the creepy OP, and you accusing DUers of homophobia.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #84

I did not accuse DU'ers of homophobia. Bonobo Feb 2014 #86

+ 1000. This OP is so NOT surprising. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #154

'Most people'? I think most people are busy trying to feed their children sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37

It has gotten to the point of hysteria. Allen is now apparently a serial child molester because he quinnox Feb 2014 #9

"determined to be indisputable proof that Allen is guilty" kcr Feb 2014 #11

I've heard him tell a similar joke about a sexual relationship with Roy Roger's horse. JVS Feb 2014 #158

Is this your answer to Dylan Farrow's anguished statement that Allen molested her when she was 7? pnwmom Feb 2014 #12

I think that is explained in the OP. Bonobo Feb 2014 #16

I think that is a pretty huge leap. No one is accusing movie directors of being pedophiles. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #91

this is what they spend time on in the mens group, LOL. I have no doubt you will find them hashing bettyellen Feb 2014 #17

Say what you want, but dating a younger woman does not make one a pedophile. Bonobo Feb 2014 #20

I never said that- bless your confused heart. Stop lying about what I said. bettyellen Feb 2014 #26

Your father dating your 19 year old SISTER is what's creepy. Ask Ronan and Dylan. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #92

Not really saying it isn't creepy... Bonobo Feb 2014 #95

It has to do with transgressing sexual boundaries. Allen doesn't seem to think they exist. pnwmom Feb 2014 #100

Being interested in pre-pubescents is a very specific affliction/predilection Bonobo Feb 2014 #111

The incest taboo and the taboo against molesting children are both "boundary things." pnwmom Feb 2014 #117

But people not interested in little children are not interested in little children. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #124

Most child molesters are NOT exclusively attracted to children. pnwmom Feb 2014 #128

You're right. Absolutely. Bonobo Feb 2014 #131

One of the common misconceptions is Soon-Yi was the daughter of Mia quinnox Feb 2014 #22

That's what adopted means n/t kcr Feb 2014 #24

"betraying your LT partner with her own daughter." quinnox Feb 2014 #28

What does it matter? She's her daughter. kcr Feb 2014 #31

Yes, okay, now tell me how it relates to pedophilia. THAT is the only thing that matters. Bonobo Feb 2014 #35

No, you are the only one who wants to erase all the details kcr Feb 2014 #62

Huh? Bonobo Feb 2014 #63

Yes you are. kcr Feb 2014 #67

So you are denying that people have been saying that they always knew he was "creepy" Bonobo Feb 2014 #70

No, I'm not denying it. Because it isn't just about being attracted to young women! kcr Feb 2014 #76

Yes, but to get there, now you have to pretend that Soon-Yi was not a grown woman but a 10 year old. Bonobo Feb 2014 #77

No. You don't have to. kcr Feb 2014 #78

this is the part where he explains your feelings and opinions are all wrong. bettyellen Feb 2014 #80

No, call him creep all you want. But explain the connection with pedophilia. Bonobo Feb 2014 #83

No. That's where I explain to you kcr Feb 2014 #101

I will give you points for effort. Bonobo Feb 2014 #106

Guess what. People who don't meet the full clinical definition of pedophile molest children kcr Feb 2014 #110

How would that not meet the full clinical definition of pedophile? Bonobo Feb 2014 #112

Don't be obtuse kcr Feb 2014 #114

Sexual molestation of a child does not represent sexual interest in children? Bonobo Feb 2014 #116

It doesn't represent only sexual interest in children. You are flat out wrong. kcr Feb 2014 #119

Oh, I do not deny that and never did. Bonobo Feb 2014 #121

Maybe not directly. It isn't direct evidence. But as a character judgment? Sure it can. kcr Feb 2014 #126

I will end it with this reiteration. Bonobo Feb 2014 #130

Reiterate that all you want. kcr Feb 2014 #132

And that? Can't wrap my head around that. kcr Feb 2014 #87

Not ignoring it. Saying it has no relationship to being attracted sexually to children. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #90

No relationship whatsoever. kcr Feb 2014 #105

Well, that was kind of a funny read. Bonobo Feb 2014 #108

whole load of ignoring boundary issues going on. bettyellen Feb 2014 #93

You think that's an answer? Seriously? Bonobo Feb 2014 #102

again, I said none of those things- i commented on what a shitty implication you made in the OP. bettyellen Feb 2014 #107

Ice = spellcheck changing "icky" nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #109

Again- you seem to be responding to someone else. Or putting words in my mouth INSTEAD of bettyellen Feb 2014 #113

I never lied about what you said. Bonobo Feb 2014 #115

maybe you need to print it out and check.... at least three posts you just made up words bettyellen Feb 2014 #118

If it is true, I owe you an apology. Bonobo Feb 2014 #122

He did the same thing to me n/t kcr Feb 2014 #127

Err, I said that I made a mistake with you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #137

Oh, Im sorry, I wasn't allowed to mention it to anyone else? kcr Feb 2014 #139

No, but you could have mentioned I made an honest mistake and admitted it. Bonobo Feb 2014 #140

"you can't get off the soon yi thing" kcr Feb 2014 #144

Makes no sense, whatever. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #146

Just mean it's the reason I wasn't feeling like being too nice kcr Feb 2014 #148

Circular thinking. Wheeeeeeeeee! Bonobo Feb 2014 #81

Ask Quinnox. That's the person who thinks is matters that Soon-Yi was adopted. pnwmom Feb 2014 #97

every adopted child I know is a son or daughter. so.... at least it wasn't incest, right? bettyellen Feb 2014 #48

Part of it. Incest is a big deal quinnox Feb 2014 #56

Soon-Yi is Mia's OWN daughter. Legally and psychologically, there is no difference between pnwmom Feb 2014 #96

Was, not is. Mia and some of the other Farrow family have shunned her and her husband entirely. JVS Feb 2014 #155

oh lord, now I have to explain what adoption is? LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #27

what's sad is people commenting who don't even know the basic facts of the case quinnox Feb 2014 #40

my statement was accurate. Soon Yi is her daughter, Woody was LT partner- they conspired to fuck bettyellen Feb 2014 #60

And they got married, and have remained married ever since quinnox Feb 2014 #65

Twenty years! Bonobo Feb 2014 #71

Yep, very close to it. I looked it up, they got married on December 24, 1997 quinnox Feb 2014 #72

LOL, they pretty much have to stay together after that. she could tank his career in a heartbeat bettyellen Feb 2014 #74

wow, pretty cynical view there. Maybe it is true love quinnox Feb 2014 #75

it's interesting when you realize how much leverage she has now. he used to avoid parties like the bettyellen Feb 2014 #79

Honestly, I'm not really interested in those details. I just thought that since they have been quinnox Feb 2014 #82

No, he goes to parties now! Don't you see what that REALLY means? Bonobo Feb 2014 #85

heh quinnox Feb 2014 #88

That has nothing to do with how wrong it was for Ronan's father to marry his sister. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #98

Likely longer and more successful than the marriages of some of his critics Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #152

Soon-Yi was as much the daughter of Mia as you are the child of your parents or I am of mine. pnwmom Feb 2014 #94

Uhm you don't think Mia adopting her makes her Mia's daughter? gollygee Feb 2014 #156

No, it does not make her a biological daughter quinnox Feb 2014 #173

It's an irrelevant fact gollygee Feb 2014 #183

Trying to normalize the dating of underage stepdaughters. It's a new low. kcr Feb 2014 #23

Underage, no. And normalize, no. That's two fails. Bonobo Feb 2014 #32

And sorry you can't grasp that the children of partners are particularly off limits kcr Feb 2014 #36

Okay, off limits. But what does it have to do with pedophilia. Isn't that the issue? Bonobo Feb 2014 #38

What does it have to do with it? kcr Feb 2014 #52

That is so lacking in logic that I don't even know where to start. Bonobo Feb 2014 #55

Once again. Not just talking about being attracted to younger women here. kcr Feb 2014 #59

So what? He knew her since she was 10. So what? Bonobo Feb 2014 #89

I'm suggesting it's a possibility kcr Feb 2014 #123

Yes, that is the circular logic part. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #125

You don't know what circular logic means n/t kcr Feb 2014 #134

Yes, I do. Bonobo Feb 2014 #135

I have not concluded he's a pedophile kcr Feb 2014 #138

I can see you are big into getting the last word. Bonobo Feb 2014 #142

And I can see that you'll go right back to an erroneous point even when you've conceded it's wrong kcr Feb 2014 #143

I never conceded that. Bonobo Feb 2014 #145

See your response to post 128 n/t kcr Feb 2014 #147

Umm, that doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Bonobo Feb 2014 #149

You're wrong. kcr Feb 2014 #150

planning that kind of betrayal with your LT partner's own daughter. yikes. bettyellen Feb 2014 #43

Shitty person is related to pedophilia? Seriously. Stop fucking dodging. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #51

never said that. this is that badgering thing, that leads others to walk away quickly- gagging. BYE bettyellen Feb 2014 #54

Ha ha ha. Bonobo Feb 2014 #57

Another common misconception. Soon-Yi was not the step daughter of Woody Allen quinnox Feb 2014 #34

She was ten years old when they met kcr Feb 2014 #46

Yeah.. underage... opiate69 Feb 2014 #39

And she was 10 when Woody and Mia met and began a relationship. kcr Feb 2014 #49

Right.. her exact birth year is unknown.. however.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #64

When the photos were discovered. kcr Feb 2014 #68

And that 'Very well could have' is pretty much JackInGreen Feb 2014 #99

Why are you taking it? When I didn't say it? kcr Feb 2014 #129

apparently, it doesn't matter what you or I say- they will quote some other DUer and pretend you bettyellen Feb 2014 #172

You dont' know that's when it began BainsBane Feb 2014 #181

It reminds me of some blog I was reading - advice for guys if they are afraid they are being creepy bettyellen Feb 2014 #42

You think that your finding me creepy is some kind of a rational argument? Bonobo Feb 2014 #44

No, me finding you creepy, misquoting me and being disrespectful are facts though. Which lead me to bettyellen Feb 2014 #53

Allen did not maintain appropriate sexual boundaries with the 19 year old sister pnwmom Feb 2014 #104

Again, here is what a boundary is to me: Bonobo Feb 2014 #120

There are people who feel that way fadedrose Feb 2014 #33

I'm starting to think "Ida Briggs" has the right idea: 1000words Feb 2014 #41

They are upset to be called out on their crazy fucked up wrongheaded logic. Bonobo Feb 2014 #47

Gee, I don't know ... 1000words Feb 2014 #58

She is a strong woman who "knows herself". nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #61

How DARE you call a strong and willful woman JackInGreen Feb 2014 #103

When did Demi Moore have a relationship with the child of her long term parner kcr Feb 2014 #133

You can't get off the Soon-Yi thing. Bonobo Feb 2014 #136

I didn't make that poster compare her to Demi Moore nt kcr Feb 2014 #141

Lol! zappaman Feb 2014 #69

What? cyberswede Feb 2014 #73

Passing judgment on guys who rape seven year olds BainsBane Feb 2014 #179

I hope I'm on the list BainsBane Feb 2014 #178

huh? Whisp Feb 2014 #45

It's 2014 and a few people are still talking about Allen and Soon Yi LittleBlue Feb 2014 #66

Fundies skeeve me out just like pedophiles wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #151

The Woody Allen issue has NOTHING to do with homosexuality gollygee Feb 2014 #153

Trashing. Iggo Feb 2014 #161

Kicking this, so everyone can get ready to be smeared as analagous to a homophobe.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #163

this is a new low, bonobo. seabeyond Feb 2014 #164

Welcome back. William769 Feb 2014 #174

Than you, william. Nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #175

Yet it keeps a familar theme going BainsBane Feb 2014 #177

yes. and the insults. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #180

Some people are homophobes, so Woody Allen is innocent. Got it. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #166

Whatever it takes to make banging your girlfriend's daughter sound more palatable will be done... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #182