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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:48 AM Jan 2014

We Need To Stop Trusting The Police [View all]

Last Monday, a jury found two former Fullerton, California, police officers not guilty on one charge of excessive force, two of manslaughter, and one of second-degree murder in the beating death of Kelly Thomas. The 2011 altercation, which lead to Thomas’s death five days later, was captured in detail by surveillance cameras and audio from police recorders—on tape, the cops can be seen beating the homeless man mercilessly and Tasing him twice in the face. At one point, Thomas is moaning “Help me dad” as the officers swing their nightsticks at him.

That fairly clear video evidence, along with the activism of Kelly’s father Ron (a former sheriff’s deputy) and the mobilization outraged community, ensured Thomas’s death got a lot more media coverage than the killing of homeless people by police normally do. But the officers are still walking free after beating an unarmed man to death. (In fact, one of them, Jay Cicinelli, already wants his job back.) How does that happen? A great many people in the community are asking that same question—multiple protests against the outcome of the trial this week resulted in 14 arrests

One answer to that question is that the jurors, like most Americans, probably thought that cops are generally almost always right. A Gallup Poll from last month found that 54 percent of respondents had “high” or “very high” amounts of trust in police officers. People think more favorably of cops than they do journalists, politicians, lawyers, or even members of the clergy. The only authority figures more trusted than the police are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and grade school teachers.

That trust is buttressed by laws that grant cops various kinds of immunity against prosecution. For instance, in 2010, a Seattle cop named Ian Birk shot and killed John T. Williams, a Native American woodcarver, and after the dust settled, a review panel had found that the shooting was unjustified, Birk had resigned from the force, and the city had paid Williams’s family $1.5 million. Yet Birk never faced criminal charges for killing Williams, since under Washington state law prosecutors would have had to prove evidence of “malice or bad faith” on his part when he pulled the trigger.

http://www.vice.com/read/we-need-to-stop-trusting-the-police
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I wholeheartedly agree with you! bobGandolf Jan 2014 #1
Are you sure? freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #12
I'd much rather have it your way... bobGandolf Jan 2014 #25
Good for you freedom fighter.... burfman Jan 2014 #40
Thanks so much, burfman freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #42
Stop trusting cops you say ???? SamKnause Jan 2014 #2
+1 So true and so sad. Live and Learn Jan 2014 #6
I'm With Ya Brother! imthevicar Jan 2014 #8
"My trust for the Tea Party, or Republicans is gone?" mdbl Jan 2014 #14
Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #15
Hello? CANDO Jan 2014 #29
+1. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #46
and juries too, eh? hfojvt Jan 2014 #3
Last time imthevicar Jan 2014 #9
So you never trusted your uncle? randome Jan 2014 #10
You are a Troll! And Unworthy of a civil responce. imthevicar Jan 2014 #11
Oh, you kidder, you! randome Jan 2014 #18
I heard a defense lawyer say the cops call it "testilying." freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #13
I used to work with a guy who was a part time "Tackleberry" type cop. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #31
I guess you missed the YouTube video of the cop playing catch cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #17
Yeah, that makes it all better oldhippie Jan 2014 #21
You did read the post I was replying to right? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #23
Around here if you asked a cop for a jump they would tell you to fuck off. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #30
I didn't ask for it hfojvt Jan 2014 #32
When did we start? They taught a very young long-haired-hippie-kid the folly of that idea Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #4
Never call the cops FrodosPet Jan 2014 #28
I quit sometime between '75 and '79. Iggo Jan 2014 #5
Who's "we"? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #7
I stopped a looonnng time ago. nt RiffRandell Jan 2014 #16
I was raised to have a healthy distrust of police and all others in 'power' Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #19
I figured that out about 1965. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #20
Cops only job is to get you to say something incriminating. Rex Jan 2014 #22
I wasn't old enough to call them pigs, but I don't, nor have I ever even considered tavalon Jan 2014 #24
We now live in a police state. In a police state the government and the police can run ... spin Jan 2014 #26
My trust in law enforcement ended long ago 1000words Jan 2014 #27
Generally speaking, our local LE frogmarch Jan 2014 #33
The whole million Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #34
If I were to become vocal about it I would be labeled a fascist defender here.... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #35
How could anyone call you a "fascist defender"... 1000words Jan 2014 #36
I laughed. I can take one to the chin. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #37
It was in good fun ... 1000words Jan 2014 #38
Trust but verify the police... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #39
We have cops like that in the small town where I live. Pathwalker Jan 2014 #49
You said it best, Pathwalker... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #50
So you don't trust the police. MicaelS Jan 2014 #41
I don't hate the police MrScorpio Jan 2014 #43
Show it to me, I'd love to read it. MicaelS Jan 2014 #47
Here you go MrScorpio Jan 2014 #48
"Always Question Authority" is what I say. closeupready Jan 2014 #44
We need to build communities where the police are Ron Green Jan 2014 #45
What would it be like if no one trusted the cops? stevil Jan 2014 #51
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