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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders is and continues to be critical of President Obama [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)95. They aren't allowed to.
This is NOT a Conservative Nation.
In every major survey, the American Voters overwhelmingly agree with Populist Issues,
especially with respect to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and all the old Liberal FDR/LBJ Safety Net programs, HIGH taxes on the RICH, outsourcing American Jobs (Free Trade) and many, many others.
But the Major Political parties make gawd dammed sure that any such candidate running on Populist (Liberal) Issues does NOT make it through a Democratic Primary!
The Arkansas Democratic Primary was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.
[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]
We organized and supported Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln.
Halter was:
* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,
*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,
*had an Up & Running Political machine,
* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)
*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists
*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass in The Primary until the White House stepped in
Guess what happened.
Our BIGGEST enemy to bringing "change" to The Senate was NOT The "Obstructionist" Republicans.
NO!
Our BIGGEST obstruction to bringing "change" to The Senate was The Obama White House!
The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda,
and Bill Clinton was dispatched on a Campaign Tour for Blanche around the state bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.
White House steps in to rescue Lincolns Primary Campaign in Arkansas
When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the answer was ridicule and insults to Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots.
Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-
After the Arkansas Democratic Primary, many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.
Of course, EVERYBODY predicted, Lincoln lost badly in the General Election, giving that Senate Seat to The Republicans.
So what did the White House gain by Stomping Down Labor and the Grass Roots?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults and more ridicule.
and it wasn't very pretty.
[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]
We organized and supported Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln.
Halter was:
* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,
*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,
*had an Up & Running Political machine,
* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)
*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists
*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass in The Primary until the White House stepped in
Guess what happened.
Our BIGGEST enemy to bringing "change" to The Senate was NOT The "Obstructionist" Republicans.
NO!
Our BIGGEST obstruction to bringing "change" to The Senate was The Obama White House!
The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda,
and Bill Clinton was dispatched on a Campaign Tour for Blanche around the state bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.
White House steps in to rescue Lincolns Primary Campaign in Arkansas
"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.
* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.
*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.
*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just dont have the votes for.
<snip>
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.
Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.
*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.
*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just dont have the votes for.
<snip>
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.
Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the answer was ridicule and insults to Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots.
Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-
After the Arkansas Democratic Primary, many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.
Of course, EVERYBODY predicted, Lincoln lost badly in the General Election, giving that Senate Seat to The Republicans.
So what did the White House gain by Stomping Down Labor and the Grass Roots?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults and more ridicule.
A Fire Breathing, Charmastic Populist running on a platform of Economic Fairness for REgular Working Americans (a la Huey Long) can WIN ANYWHERE!
President Obama ran as such an Economic Populist in 2008,
and WON overwhelmingly.
(He just didn't DO all that Economic Populism once elected).
You bullshit don't fly here.
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I hope he runs for President in 2016 - to offer an alternative to the bipartisan consensus on
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#1
Given that almost everybody agrees with Sen. Sanders on basic economic issues - even many rank and
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#35
Explain how corporate money 'allows' us to 'ignore reality'. What reality? We are not ignoring
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#78
wmws is correct and in case you haven't noticed, the ThirdWay corporate garbage that has
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#140
Counting votes means nothing if both candidates are corporate-bought.
woo me with science
Jan 2014
#113
Because they are given no choice. See Buono in NJ, deserted by her own party
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#163
The billionaire purchased austerity propaganda policy mill '3rd Way' is a product
Dragonfli
Jan 2014
#112
Lol. long before Obama became President, he was corporate friendly in a way that Sanders
cali
Jan 2014
#11
bzzzt. yet another fail. but I am delighted to watch your, er, antics. Most amusing.
cali
Jan 2014
#12
"Trying to use Bernie to burnish President Obama's liberal credentials is dishonest. "
Kolesar
Jan 2014
#6
Why? All I'm doing is setting the record straight. Yes, Bernie supports the President
cali
Jan 2014
#21
no, the president's pro corporate policies are the problem- not bernie's opposition to them
cali
Jan 2014
#28
You are missing Joe's point. I love Bernie and he phrases things better than anyone on income
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#53
Precisely! Any anonymous internet schmuck can piss and moan about what they perceive ...
11 Bravo
Jan 2014
#122
So..sometimes he is critical where waranted...and sometimes he is supportive where it is warranted
SunsetDreams
Jan 2014
#38
Sen. Sanders has been both supportive and critical of President Obama and this seems fines to me.
underthematrix
Jan 2014
#48
All who disagree with Obama on policy are haters who do so on racist grounds
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#80
Evidently there are some here who believe six impossible things before breakfast
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#105
Bernie continues to represent the best interests of the american people, Obama doesn't always
on point
Jan 2014
#71
I would hope Senator Sanders would not be critical of President Obama unless promoting/
indepat
Jan 2014
#104
Your divisive propaganda was once again thoroughly debunked by ProSense and others.
great white snark
Jan 2014
#119
That subthread between Prosense, JoePhilly and 1SBM pretty much demolished this OP
Number23
Jan 2014
#128
you don't understand politics and how things work in the real world. But then again a comforting
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#159
In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#162