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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
95. They aren't allowed to.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jan 2014

This is NOT a Conservative Nation.
In every major survey, the American Voters overwhelmingly agree with Populist Issues,
especially with respect to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and all the old Liberal FDR/LBJ Safety Net programs, HIGH taxes on the RICH, outsourcing American Jobs (Free Trade) and many, many others.

But the Major Political parties make gawd dammed sure that any such candidate running on Populist (Liberal) Issues does NOT make it through a Democratic Primary!

The Arkansas Democratic Primary was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.

[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]

We organized and supported Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln.
Halter was:

* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,

*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,

*had an Up & Running Political machine,

* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)

*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists

*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass in The Primary until the White House stepped in

Guess what happened.
Our BIGGEST enemy to bringing "change" to The Senate was NOT The "Obstructionist" Republicans.
NO!
Our BIGGEST obstruction to bringing "change" to The Senate was The Obama White House!

The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda,
and Bill Clinton was dispatched on a Campaign Tour for Blanche around the state bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.

White House steps in to rescue Lincoln’s Primary Campaign in Arkansas
"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.

* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.

*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.

*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.

Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the answer was ridicule and insults to Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots.

Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-

After the Arkansas Democratic Primary, many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

Of course, EVERYBODY predicted, Lincoln lost badly in the General Election, giving that Senate Seat to The Republicans.
So what did the White House gain by Stomping Down Labor and the Grass Roots?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults and more ridicule.




A Fire Breathing, Charmastic Populist running on a platform of Economic Fairness for REgular Working Americans (a la Huey Long) can WIN ANYWHERE!

President Obama ran as such an Economic Populist in 2008,
and WON overwhelmingly.
(He just didn't DO all that Economic Populism once elected).

You bullshit don't fly here.

I hope he runs for President in 2016 - to offer an alternative to the bipartisan consensus on Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #1
I hope Bernie runs for President, for a different reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #20
Given that almost everybody agrees with Sen. Sanders on basic economic issues - even many rank and Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #35
Let me amend my previous post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #47
Why is truth.... daleanime Jan 2014 #58
That's my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #60
LOL. This canard *again*? woo me with science Jan 2014 #61
A cannard ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #66
Explain how corporate money 'allows' us to 'ignore reality'. What reality? We are not ignoring sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #78
The reality that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #84
From one desperate Third Way talking point to the next. woo me with science Jan 2014 #90
Well 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #98
Oh, my. woo me with science Jan 2014 #99
Why do you have "Science" in your screen-name ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #102
Ad hominem and stale propaganda. woo me with science Jan 2014 #107
You whine about Ad hominem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #110
Where did I call you a name? woo me with science Jan 2014 #111
Okay.n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #116
+1 a great big bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #149
wmws is correct and in case you haven't noticed, the ThirdWay corporate garbage that has sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140
Brilliant post. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #148
+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #134
Great post! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #150
That is desperate, dark comedy. +1! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #151
This gets to the crux of the issue. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #153
They aren't allowed to. bvar22 Jan 2014 #95
Who stopped them ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #100
I see you didn't read the above post. bvar22 Jan 2014 #106
That's all you can say to that? dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #135
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #137
Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #103
maybe we can't win because we do not count our votes questionseverything Jan 2014 #109
Counting votes means nothing if both candidates are corporate-bought. woo me with science Jan 2014 #113
halter lost that primary,he was a non corporate voice questionseverything Jan 2014 #115
I agree with you that the voting needs reform, too. woo me with science Jan 2014 #117
Because they are given no choice. See Buono in NJ, deserted by her own party sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #163
Thank you, sabrina 1! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #147
"The corporate money that we both lament..." woo me with science Jan 2014 #79
"3rd-Way" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #86
But it hasn't completely controlled the Party until 1992. bvar22 Jan 2014 #108
The billionaire purchased austerity propaganda policy mill '3rd Way' is a product Dragonfli Jan 2014 #112
at least he's more honest that sec. Gates chieffeathers Jan 2014 #89
"This gets very, very old. " DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #142
Thank you, woo me with science! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #146
Me too! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #145
No, ProSense Jan 2014 #2
trying to force a sqare peg into a round hole is just what you do. cali Jan 2014 #8
Did President Obama force Senator Sanders to vote to cut food stamps? ProSense Jan 2014 #13
A number of Third-Way posters are trying to capture progressive sentiment. Wilms Jan 2014 #18
yep. and they can't bear any criticism of the object of their adoration. cali Jan 2014 #22
President Signs Veterans COLA Bill ProSense Jan 2014 #26
Show me Sander's praise for drones. Wilms Jan 2014 #32
I don't recall ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #41
Are you a fan of Counterpunch? ProSense Jan 2014 #42
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #49
Pretty specious. You call that support? Wilms Jan 2014 #52
That's opposition to Brennan. ProSense Jan 2014 #63
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #143
You, know what's a "shock"? ProSense Jan 2014 #158
Bernie Sanders politics are not different than Obama's dennis4868 Jan 2014 #3
LOL L0oniX Jan 2014 #7
Rustle up the tsarina and the skate punk and have a big ol' laugh fest...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #10
LOL X 2 Enthusiast Jan 2014 #155
That's a fair point...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #9
Lol. long before Obama became President, he was corporate friendly in a way that Sanders cali Jan 2014 #11
Is there a complete sentence in there somewhere, cali? eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #17
LOL!!! Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #88
Long before Obama became Prez he was campaigning for Bernie Sanders. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #114
Why do you make me keep posting this? woo me with science Jan 2014 #15
"Why do you make me keep posting this?" ProSense Jan 2014 #19
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Jan 2014 #39
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #46
+ a shit load......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #156
don't confuse them with the record. cali Jan 2014 #27
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #29
Impressive list of blue links ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #51
Apparently googling is difficult for you? nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #54
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #57
Either you are abysmally bad at googling, woo me with science Jan 2014 #64
LOL "propaganda commercial" ProSense Jan 2014 #72
How is that the least bit responsive to this? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #136
Responsive to what? You haven't made a point. woo me with science Jan 2014 #141
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #154
BAM! Number23 Jan 2014 #127
Shhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #139
Keep reminding us. 840high Jan 2014 #82
Exactly treestar Jan 2014 #24
Many here on DU don't get that. dennis4868 Jan 2014 #50
How about this phrasing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #33
yep, that's exactly why BHO proposed chained-cpi stupidicus Jan 2014 #76
The austerity skin of the Third Way corporate lizard woo me with science Jan 2014 #83
LOL stupidicus Jan 2014 #161
This is good: ProSense Jan 2014 #4
bzzzt. yet another fail. but I am delighted to watch your, er, antics. Most amusing. cali Jan 2014 #12
enthsiastic support like this: cali Jan 2014 #14
Obama makes ProSense Jan 2014 #34
K & R L0oniX Jan 2014 #5
"Trying to use Bernie to burnish President Obama's liberal credentials is dishonest. " Kolesar Jan 2014 #6
Trying to use him to divide Democrats treestar Jan 2014 #25
The original poster does this for stimulation Kolesar Jan 2014 #36
You should have asked him to primary Obama back in 2011. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #16
Why? All I'm doing is setting the record straight. Yes, Bernie supports the President cali Jan 2014 #21
Then he must be part of the problem. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #23
no, the president's pro corporate policies are the problem- not bernie's opposition to them cali Jan 2014 #28
Did President Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #31
If he voted for President Obama, Bernie is part of the problem. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #43
Oops ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #55
Pragmatism washes off of Bernie. nt JoePhilly Jan 2014 #62
You are missing Joe's point. I love Bernie and he phrases things better than anyone on income stevenleser Jan 2014 #53
Exactly ... its easy to be ideological, right up until you have to JoePhilly Jan 2014 #59
I really would like to think ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #67
While I did not include that in my post ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #69
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #73
Or run for President. ProSense Jan 2014 #68
yup. nt JoePhilly Jan 2014 #70
Notice the OP ProSense Jan 2014 #74
That's a great example ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #75
Precisely! Any anonymous internet schmuck can piss and moan about what they perceive ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #122
Nothing wrong with that! I like critical thinkers. Rex Jan 2014 #30
He is critical where appropriate and supportive where appropriate. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #37
Interesting... SunsetDreams Jan 2014 #40
So..sometimes he is critical where waranted...and sometimes he is supportive where it is warranted SunsetDreams Jan 2014 #38
Heh. Great minds think alike. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #44
IKR!? Oh no the guy can think for himself and has critical thinking skills! Rex Jan 2014 #45
Sen. Sanders has been both supportive and critical of President Obama and this seems fines to me. underthematrix Jan 2014 #48
it obviously makes por sense to claim otherwise stupidicus Jan 2014 #56
"us racist BHO-haters" ProSense Jan 2014 #77
All who disagree with Obama on policy are haters who do so on racist grounds Fumesucker Jan 2014 #80
Really? You believe that? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #81
Evidently there are some here who believe six impossible things before breakfast Fumesucker Jan 2014 #105
as designated by the BHO cult members stupidicus Jan 2014 #160
Derp. BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #65
Bernie continues to represent the best interests of the american people, Obama doesn't always on point Jan 2014 #71
Big Bernie fan here. 840high Jan 2014 #85
+10000 No corporate Trojan horse there. woo me with science Jan 2014 #87
Hey ProSense Jan 2014 #92
I don't click on your blind links, ProSense. woo me with science Jan 2014 #94
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #96
K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #91
I never would have pegged Sanders as a racist. hughee99 Jan 2014 #93
Changed my Mind. Creating an OP. MineralMan Jan 2014 #97
Bernie Sanders is and continues to be representative of his constituency. Coyotl Jan 2014 #101
Nonsense that constituencies need to change. woo me with science Jan 2014 #118
Yes, ProSense Jan 2014 #120
Sorry, this ProSense commercial has already been evaluated woo me with science Jan 2014 #129
You do ProSense Jan 2014 #130
You mean the Dodd-Frank he later endorsed gutting. woo me with science Jan 2014 #131
No, ProSense Jan 2014 #132
No. True. Coyotl Jan 2014 #123
"if you don't like Obama." woo me with science Jan 2014 #124
Why are you calling nonsense on me then? I ignored nothing. Coyotl Jan 2014 #125
You repeated a blatant falsehood and Third Way talking point, woo me with science Jan 2014 #126
I would hope Senator Sanders would not be critical of President Obama unless promoting/ indepat Jan 2014 #104
Your divisive propaganda was once again thoroughly debunked by ProSense and others. great white snark Jan 2014 #119
LOL. woo me with science Jan 2014 #121
That subthread between Prosense, JoePhilly and 1SBM pretty much demolished this OP Number23 Jan 2014 #128
you don't understand politics and how things work in the real world. But then again a comforting Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #159
You'll Never Turn The Apologists colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #133
That was contentless...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #138
Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #144
well someone has to... madrchsod Jan 2014 #152
Joe Manchin, Joe Liberman, and many Democrats Progressive dog Jan 2014 #157
In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #162
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