Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin

[seabeyond]

260. i appreciate you taking account past posts. i value when a poster is able to do that

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instead of working at seeing the worst of who we are. i am going to disagree there is any implication other than what "healthy" is. i chose that word for a reason.

one can be unhealthy in everything be it exercise, eating, drinking, gambling, saving money, spending money, and yes, even sex. there is a balance there. it is different for all of us, and we should know within self at the point of unhealthy. (though, thru experiences that shape us in early life a person may have a tough time recognizing the point of unhealthy or hurtful behavior because they have been unhealthily effected at a young age that messed up the ability) i feel i am about norm, and no different than others. i can feel when i am being unhealthy and when i am not. i assume most all of us can. and yes.... there are places even in sex when one can walk into unhealthy, whatever that would be for them.

for me, that is what is important. that leaves out the judgment, and allows the uniqueness of a person. but it is a reality.

there are a lot of people that believe as you, .... that we can own the word. i do not believe that. what i have watched over the years, and with the net and so many strangers in our homes today, thru the net and what i see in society and the media, i so disagree with you. i think it is clearly evident what a crock it is. whether it is blacks owning the words, and gay community or the women community. i think it is even worse in the women community cause the patriarchy is so ingrained with both genders unknowing participants.

when i hear the very men that are participating with great cheer in the 3rd wave and declaring themselves feminist because they stand for womens rights, then on the other hand denigrate, dehumanize, and are so very disrespectful to women in language, i know the owning of words does not work. they are separating womens sexuality from male sexuality. they are reinforcing that womens sexuality is about mans sexuality, not owned by women. and THAT is an issue to me. the label continues the mentality that women are here to serve. that is the evidence to me, that it is now about individual ownership but a group to serve.

i believe and feel that the words that we use are internalized and we make the words a reality to fit what we tell ourselves. i believe the words we use matter. no child kills themselves with four eyes. they do with the F word or slut.

always good to read your posts, that are almost always opposite of how i see things and almost always looking at the same end result. which makes it fun.