Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)42. Thank you, bobthedrummer! Readers are Leaders...
For some reason, the tee vee doesn't talk about any of what you've brought up.
For those still interested in learning things that may not be on television, not even on C-SPIN or in the history texts:
Southern Cone = CONDOR and Cocaine Inc
Condor legacy haunts South America
By Robert Plummer
BBC News
Of all the unresolved issues from the dark days of military rule in Latin America, Operation Condor is among the most sinister.
As many as six South American regimes took part in the joint campaign to hunt down and kill their left-wing opponents.
Although the conspiracy now dates back nearly 30 years, the consequences continue to cast a shadow over the present-day governments of the region.
A Chilean court has now ruled that former Chilean President Augusto Pinochet is not mentally fit to be prosecuted over the operation.
But two other ex-leaders in the region are still being pursued by judges on related charges, as efforts continue to find out exactly who was responsible.
Operation Condor was founded in secret and remained a mystery until after democracy had returned to South America.
According to documents later discovered in Paraguay, it was established at a military intelligence meeting in Chile on 25 November 1975 - Gen Pinochet's 60th birthday.
Delegates from five other countries were there: Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay.
Following that meeting, the military governments of those nations agreed to co-operate in sending teams into other countries to track, monitor and kill their political opponents.
CONTINUED...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3720724.stm
JFK's 1,037 day administration was a radical departure from that which came before and after -- formed by the Brown Brothers Harriman, Sullivan & Cromwell brand of warmongering, uh, statesmanship.
NEO-NAZIS AND THE COCAINE COUP
by Kieran McGrath
October 31, 2012
On July 17th 1980, the Bolivian General Luis García Meza seized power in what has become known as the Cocaine Coup. Meza ruled for three years in a regime fueled by corruption, narcotrafficking and the relentless persecution of anyone who opposed him. The tortures, rapes and abductions that came to define Mezas violent reign have been well documented: It is thought that over 1,000 people were murdered in the first year of the dictatorship. Meza also recruited the German Nazi, Klaus Barbie, to orchestrate his governments systematic and ruthless wave of terror. Barbie who was a former SS Captain, notorious for the slaughtering of 26,000 Jews in Lyon and the murder of Jean Moulin; a French Resistance leader had been active in South America since 1957 making his living as a consultant and specialist interrogator for the military dictatorships in Argentina, Peru and Bolivia where his reputation preceded him, making him the apotheosis of neo-Nazism.
Along with Barbies role as chief torturer and interrogator in the Meza regime, he was also responsible for recruiting a number of high-profile European neo-Fascists to aid the dictatorship. The Italian terrorist Stefano Delle Chiaie who, in 1983, was one of the CIAs most wanted men was enlisted by Barbie, as was the Spanish neo-Nazi Ernesto Milá Rodríguez. Delle Chiaie earned his infamy after being implicated in a number of bombings in Italy as well as his establishing of the Avanguardia Nazionale; a movement of young neo-Nazis who wanted to subvert Italian democracy and return the country to fascism. Milá was also a high-profile fascist accused of a series of bombings in Catalonia during the 1970s as well as the 1980 Copernicus Street Synagogue bombing in Paris.
It is easy to see why this tripartite alliance of Barbie, Delle Chiaie and Milá would have been attracted to the opportunity the Meza regime presented them with: It not only financed their activities whilst granting them sanctuary, but it also allowed them to experiment with their terrorist strategies in a country that had become deeply susceptible to them. Before Meza took power, Bolivia had been under military rule for the best part of two decades. During this period every attempt at establishing democracy had been mired in the kind of chaotic instability that, throughout the twentieth century the world over, gave rise to fear, violence and hatred. Bolivia, a country that has always struggled to stabalise its precarious economy with the tensions generated by its racial diversity, fell prey to the myths of fascism in this period and Meza, who was already in awe of Barbie´s sadistic expertise, must have been seduced by the hierarchical, traditional and nationalist fantasies that Barbie´s history, ideology and very survival represented.
It is tempting to see this strange hybrid of post-colonial European arrogance and resurgent Nazism as a demonic fugitive from the aftermath of the Second World War, as though fascism was like the monster in some Hollywood b-movie kept alive after Hitler´s fall by a cult of dignitaries, united by their vaguely esoteric ideals and the mysterious channels that connected them. This crude interpretation of history is a dangerous one because it fails to address the complexity of the crisis in Bolivia, the acquiescence of the US and the basic fact that, although it may have been forced underground, fascism has never left modern societies, whether they be European or American.
CONTINUED... (LINK NO LONGER WORKS, Waybac Machine no longer archives, etc down the Memory Hole)...
http://luchaporley2640.com/2012/10/31/neo-nazis-and-the-cocaine-coup-3/
Each of those CONDOR nations also happened to be places where many NAZI war criminals found refuge after World War II. What a coincidence.
Klaus Barbie
Department of Justice - FBI - Department of State
CIA - Counter Intelligence Corps Files
955 pages of DOJ, FBI, Department of State, CIA, and CIC files covering Klaus Barbie, archived on CD-ROM.
Klaus Barbie, the Nazi war criminal and drug trafficker, also known as the Butcher of Lyon, was born on October 25, 1913 in Godesberg in the Rhineland. In 1933, Hitler became chancellor of Germany and Barbie joined the Hitler Youth. Beginning in February 1935, Barbie served as personal adjutant to the head of the local Nazi party office in Trier. It was at this time, according to his handwritten autobiography in his SS personnel file, that Barbie began to work with the SS, Sicherheitsdienst (literally, security service), the Nazi Party intelligence and espionage agency. Barbie officially joined the SS and SD (Gestapo, secret police) on September 26, 1935.
On June 20, 1940, the Germans captured Lyon, and two days later the defeated French signed an armistice that divided the country into two zones: the north, occupied by the Germans, and the south (including Lyon), administered by a French collaborationist government at Vichy. In November 1942, however, the southern zone was occupied by the Germans after the successful Allied invasion of North Africa. According to his personnel file, and consistent with his career to that point, Barbie was assigned to Lyon as chief of Section VI, Intelligence. Barbie set up his office in the Hotel Terminus.
Barbie's arrival in Lyon in November 1942 coincided with a dramatic increase in the ranks of the French Resistance. In 1943 he moved to offices in the Ecole de Sant Militaire and had torture chambers constructed. The difficulty of combating the resistance in Lyon grew as the German military began to lose ground, the ranks of the resistance grew. Despite this, Barbie could boast of considerable successes.
In a short period in the summer of 1943, he was responsible, in part, for the arrest of General Delestraint, the commander of the Armee Secrete, and of Jean Moulin, the head of the Resistance, as well as several key resistance leaders. On June 7, 1943, Barbie captured French Resistance member Rene Hardy. Barbie was able to extract enough information to catch Jean Moulin, Pierre Brossolette and Charles Delestraint. Both Moulin and Brossolette were tortured to death. Delestraint was sent to Dachau where he was killed near the close of World War II. Rene Hardy was put on trial for treason in 1947. So effective were the actions in Lyon in the summer of 1943, that the French Resistence wing located in Lyon decided to move to Paris, which it considered safer than Lyon.
Before Allied troops were able to liberate Lyon in September 1944, hundreds of French nationals who had first hand knowledge of his crimes were killed. Twenty double-agents who had infiltrated French Resistance were but to death. Barbie returned to Germany, where after the war he was recruited by the United States Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC). It has been estimated that below his command 7,500 people were deported, and 4,342 were murdered.
From 1945 to 1955, he was protected and employed by British and then American intelligence agents. In 1952 and 1954, military tribunals in Lyon found Barbie guilty of torture, executions, deportations, and looting. Barbie was sentenced to death in absentia. With American help Barbie moved to Bolivia in 1955.
When French agents were on the trail of Barbie, the CIC contacted Dr. Krunoslav Draganovic, a Croatian priest who ran a "ratline" which helped hundreds of Nazi SS officers escape from Europe. Father Draganovic arranged papers and transportation for Barbie to flee from Germany to Italy and then to Argentina and Bolivia.
In 1971, Nazi hunters located Barbie in Bolivia, where he had become a drug lord. In 1980, while in Bolivia using the alias Klaus Altmann, Barbie took part in the "Cocaine Coup." Luis Garcia Meza Tejada gained power in 1980 as the result of the "Cocaine Coup" on July 17, 1980, with the backing of Barbie and Italian terrorist Stefano Delle Chiaie. His government ended in 1981. His regime became internationally known for its drug trafficking activities. He brutally repressed the opposition and some 1,000 people are estimated to have been killed by the Bolivian army and security forces during his period in office. The former president was sentenced to 30 years in prison for human rights violations.
In 1983, a Bolivian government was in power that was willing to deport Barbie to France. On May 11, 1987, Barbie went on trial in Lyon. On July 4, 1987, Barbie was sentenced to life for crimes against humanity. Klaus Barbie died of leukemia in prison on September 25, 1991.
CONTINUED...
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/barbie.html
Zo. Unlike Herr General Dornberger, who helped get the Saturn V etc off der ground mit Mr. , some "ex"-NAZIs did their work in secret.
Then, there's this, which NEVER gets mentioned on tee vee, not even the Hitler Channel:
Here's a fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission: Two of its members were directly responsible for the rise of post-war fascism. Allen Dulles, as a top official of the OSS and CIA, incorporated NAZI war criminals into the CIA from its founding. John McCloy, as High Commissioner for Germany, allowed Klaus Barbie and who-knows-who-else to escape justice. Of course, both men were also barons of Wall Street and Beltway Insiders, at the heart of the military industrial complex. We all can see what that means for the United States today.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
56 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation [View all]
Octafish
Dec 2013
OP
It's hard to argue against facts, so have a little sympathy for those who try so hard to distract
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#21
I suppose, but it's a bit futile to try to hide facts because they have a way of surfacing even if
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#24
People at Duquesne asked Jefferson Morley and David Talbot about Los Angeles...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#8
check this out....review of Morley's book about Joannides. this thread reminded me of Winston Scott
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#12
Thank you for the heads-up, Gabi Hayes! CTKA does not hold back, even for one of its own...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#28
Mary Meyer was the person to whom I referred, re: Angleton swooping in on the scene after her
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#29
hey! my painting! just goes to show what a bit of moldy rye will do to your perspective. wonder
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#36
I remember being flabbergasted by deMohrenschildt's demise, as well as the rest of his story,
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#30
Thank you, Octafish. I appreciate all the information you bring from the Duquesne Conference.
Zen Democrat
Dec 2013
#26
Presenting sponsor was the Heinz History Center, a Smithsonian affiliated institution...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#27
Douglas Horne of the ARRB sees JFK at war with the national security establishment...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#39
It's no wonder the CIA/former OSS team would obsfucate, obstruct and obliterate the HSCA
bobthedrummer
Dec 2013
#40
Thank you for the "what that means" hyperlink. The National Security Archive is a trusted site for
bobthedrummer
Dec 2013
#43
6-member Duquesne Media Panel ALL said the topic is taboo in national news media.
Octafish
Dec 2013
#48