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In reply to the discussion: 'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)64. one section at a time, break it down more.
What do you think of my counter-example involving violent war fiction? Does empathy require that we reject a film because someone has been injured in a manner similar to what's portrayed onscreen? Or is it possible to distinguish fiction from fact?
Where, exactly, is the line drawn? Are we unable to view any portrayal that evokes someone else's real-world experience? Must we abandon empathy in order to do so? Or is it possible to distinguish fiction from fact? Is it possible to empathize with a person's real-world experience while also enjoying a fictional portrayal of a similar experience?
Where, exactly, is the line drawn? Are we unable to view any portrayal that evokes someone else's real-world experience? Must we abandon empathy in order to do so? Or is it possible to distinguish fiction from fact? Is it possible to empathize with a person's real-world experience while also enjoying a fictional portrayal of a similar experience?
rape porn, even supposedly simulated rape porn as the title "real rape". your fictional film is not really killing people. we do not know if these women are really being raped. men NEED to believe a woman is really getting raped. there is a difference between the two. we KNOW in the war film no one is getting killed. and with real war film no one is getting off on it. sheeeit, fiction, no one is getting off on a death.
steubenville. we KNOW that real rape is put on line. we KNOW that men are getting off on real rape.
now, as a woman that has been raped, we hear men want it real. we KNOW that if our rape had been filmed, and titled real rape, there would be men getting off on our rape. we KNOW that they may or may not tell themselves it is not real. but that a real rape was used to get off on.
do we have a right to be disgusted by men that get off on porn that they know is rape, or porn that they think a woman is really being raped? does a man have to dismiss a victim of rape to get pleasure from it? to come?
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'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form [View all]
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
OP
"Men's Rights". Oh, puhleeze. More White, Christian males playing "victim." Arrgh!
catbyte
Dec 2013
#1
Ah, didn't know about Barack attending there. Trolls gotta troll, mindless twits...
freshwest
Dec 2013
#4
whether du men defending rape porn, or these men, the underlining issue is the total dismissal of
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#7
and this post of mine was alerted on. just this morning, i have had three people send me three
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#10
Yeah, I think I've alerted on just one or two posts during my time on DU3 (neither of them yours!)
Orrex
Dec 2013
#99
It would be interesting to see the demographic ratio of Male DUers to Female DUers. -
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#41
Or posters who call women dogs because they don't agree with them....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Dec 2013
#123
or posters say that a poster did something, and they didnt. it was an anology. at least
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#125
tuesday.... oh tuesday. what a day. did you see the picture in HOF. i luv it.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#203
not for nothing but, truly ... do you really expect me to believe that your intentions were in
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#246
I want absolutely No More out of you than you Want to give. The end.
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#248
i think when told about three different posts, from three different people about alerts in a morning
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#17
i admitted i am highly visible and well hated. also, i call out the offensive, which offends.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#27
no. i am not. i forget. and TOO many hate me anyway, lol. oh... i need to but meh... what 15,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#44
besides i am a different kinda gal. to me, it is so wrong to have such low expectations
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#45
I totally understand - I am the same. Zero on my blacklist for the very same reasoning.
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#47
Dudebro, you honor me! How quaint. May I just say that I never alert. I have no one on my jury
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#224
OR, like what i would do, ASK. seabeyond, what in the world do you mean, that you see
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#53
i am always asking. i am always thanking when i get clarification. and just this morning,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#56
when men state they want rape porn to get off on that looks like real rape and a woman that is raped
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#60
That's exactly it. "Fictional" rape porn, at best, is meant to imitate the real thing, to the extent
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#112
one more thing. i am not here to redebate this or convince you. i believe my argument though is as
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#69
ok. i give. i am the ultimate worst of worst and alert, hide, whatever. nothing to see here. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#78
Honestly I don't see the "war movie" analogy. We're not talking about "Irreversible" or
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#108
I don't advocate "controlling" anything except *real* videos of rape and torture.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#128
do you see, even a little, either of you, how casually you ride over a woman being raped for mens
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#142
It troubles me that you are unable to distinguish fiction from reality, even a little
Orrex
Dec 2013
#149
do you know how many people tell me daily i am a man hater, a prude, a dworkinite, anti sex,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#155
"these fictions should be prosecuted as crimes" - "why a work of fiction should be banned"
xulamaude
Dec 2013
#174
She declared rape porn and spamming a rape reporting site to be the "same underlying issue"
Orrex
Dec 2013
#176
So... You have the ability to dictate to people what they think and feel? Interesting.
Orrex
Dec 2013
#183
Another righteous crusader dictating how and why people think and feel. Terrific.
Orrex
Dec 2013
#217
You blithely instruct people to report rapes that might be real, yet you sit there and tell me
redqueen
Dec 2013
#222
She's also not the only one who's received this kind of treatment, for similar reasons. Just saying.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#102
because none of this was about a battle. winner or loser. from the start, in agreement or
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#192
no. i know you did not even begin to understand. because at no point did you perceive the issue
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#197
if feminists cannot point out sexism in our immediate area, the board. how effective are we at being
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#14
we are being called "emotionally damaged" had another tells us that today. and i am not suppose
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#29
"dial it back a notch ... as if." as if as in.... i wouldnt even know how. ya,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#50
You wouldn't have more than 4 hides if you didn't tell people to "f*** off"
LittleBlue
Dec 2013
#136
fitman sent women in hof abusive, vulgar pms... from day one an obvious misogynist troll. an hour
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#139
the first was to fitman as i said. the second was telling the poster that said screw off....
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#144
i did NOT tell her to fuck off. can you not read? i told her, saying screw off is the same as
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#152
and an obvious troll that sat in your group dissing us, and you all welcoming him. yes.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#145
now, when you want to talk the other tow. you know, the one about soiled schoolgirl undies
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#151
i cannot tell a poster that... saying screw off is the same as saying fuck off.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#159
and once again, i say i did not read your post cause of your attacks, saw screw off
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#165
And I still don't appreciate your sexist treament and ramping it up after being
polly7
Dec 2013
#194
should be, woman. (am i allowed to call you woman without being sexist?). i stop reading
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#201
see, first sentence, .... no readie. right? we have done this drill before. too many times
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#215
Just as observation here. It is not a matter of the jury not paying attention...
Drahthaardogs
Dec 2013
#228
having served 600 juries, if i am not clear what a person is talking about, i look at the post that
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#229
"UN PO' "?? help me out. not really. the thing, it is just you and i. back and forth.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#232
oh. and what in the world was i alerted on? i didnt say or do anything wrong, lol...
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#238
i see thanks. that is cool to hear. i like people exploring thought, agree or not. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#244
I suppose we could all stand to "dial it back a notch" when it comes to putting words
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#118
What makes you think that the users of the anonymous reporting tool are women?
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#32
few false rape. not a mere some. but, few. the propaganda being pushed by the mens groups are
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#21
I think they are also showing that anonymous online crime reporting is an invitation to abuse. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#26
oh bullshit. like isnt that considerate of them to protect women so. fuck. that is offensive, ...
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#28
Now that the limitations of the tool have been exposed, I imagine that few will be. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#35
that did not answer the question. i imagine they had safe guards up and were not expelling right
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#37
see. i was too lazy to get the actual info about the purpose. i was clever enough to know it could
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#42
Shit like this makes me re-think that whole "violence is never the answer" thing.
11 Bravo
Dec 2013
#61
This kind of online anonymous reporting system is too open to abuse and is a bad idea.
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#63
Yes. But the existence of this kind of asshole is one of the reasons this is a bad idea. (nt)
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#180
Thinking about the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I think Occidental has instituted a bad idea.
JVS
Dec 2013
#169
For every one (1) man falsely accused of rape, there are about sixty (60) men who get away it
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#68
Did you see the thread where it was asserted that it's better that all rapists go unpunished
redqueen
Dec 2013
#72
perhaps if you had not struck the "of course you probably don't know this but" tone . . .
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#110
In this case, what you failed to address is the idea that the rights of the accused
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#113
What I addressed was Redqueen's apparent lack of familiarity with Blackstone's ratio.
Comrade Grumpy
Dec 2013
#120
Classic self-centeredness right there. As if it were an "either/or" matter anyway.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#116
I really don't think most men have any trouble telling if a woman wants to have sex with him
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#249
Out of curiosity, this seems to assume that each rape is committed by a different rapist
mythology
Dec 2013
#93
Well I'm sure that will fix family courts and open men's shelters and fix the economy.
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#127
good point, but I'd say there's a fair bit of overlap, and a lot of total creeps on 4chan and reddit
cemaphonic
Dec 2013
#212