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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)39. Douglas Horne of the ARRB sees JFK at war with the national security establishment...
JFKS WAR WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT: WHY KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED
Part 7
by Douglas Horne
Nov. 22, 2013
EXCERPT...
The new President, Lyndon Baines Johnson, made his intentions clear to aide Bill Moyers after meeting with Dean Rusk, Robert McNamara, George Ball, McGeorge Bundy, and Henry Cabot Lodge on November 24, 1963, two days after JFKs assassination. According to three respected journalists Tom Wicker, Stanley Karnow, and David Halberstam LBJ told his VIP audience that day: Im not going to lose Vietnam. I am not going to be the President who saw Southeast Asia go the way China went.
In an article LBJ aide Bill Moyers authored himself called Flashbacks, in the February 10, 1975 edition of Newsweek, Moyers quoted LBJ as making the following statements immediately after his meeting with the power structure on November 24th:
According to Stanley Karnow, author of Vietnam:
History shows that while JFK was disguising his true intent to withdraw from South Vietnam by pretending to believe in the domino theory and by publicly opposing a precipitate withdrawal, Lyndon Johnson the new President painted himself as the peace candidate in 1964 and successfully tarred Barry Goldwater, his opponent in the 1964 election, as a warmonger even though LBJs firm intention, from the weekend of the assassination, was to escalate in Vietnam. The irony of this situation is stunning, and profoundly depressing.
The actions and decisions of individual leaders can, and often do, make a difference. The tale above about Vietnam is a cautionary one for those who disparage, and tend to deny, the influence of great men on the course of history. After all, isnt this why we have elections? History is more than some abstract amalgam of economic and political forces forcing mankind down irrevocable paths of action. We have elections, and care about them so much at the time, because we recognize that key decisions, made by national leaders on important issues, can powerfully affect the course of history.
CONTINUED...
SOURCE: http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/jfks-war-with-the-national-security-establishment-why-kennedy-was-assassinated-part-7/
7-part article begins here: http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/jfks-war-against-the-national-security-establishment/
Thanks for grokking, SixString. The wheels fell of democracy 50 years ago. although we wouldn't know it from the Corporate McPravda, today, as George W Bush said: "Money trumps peace."
Part 7
by Douglas Horne
Nov. 22, 2013
EXCERPT...
The new President, Lyndon Baines Johnson, made his intentions clear to aide Bill Moyers after meeting with Dean Rusk, Robert McNamara, George Ball, McGeorge Bundy, and Henry Cabot Lodge on November 24, 1963, two days after JFKs assassination. According to three respected journalists Tom Wicker, Stanley Karnow, and David Halberstam LBJ told his VIP audience that day: Im not going to lose Vietnam. I am not going to be the President who saw Southeast Asia go the way China went.
In an article LBJ aide Bill Moyers authored himself called Flashbacks, in the February 10, 1975 edition of Newsweek, Moyers quoted LBJ as making the following statements immediately after his meeting with the power structure on November 24th:
theyll think with Kennedy dead weve lost heart theyll think were yellow and we dont mean what we say The fellas in the Kremlin. Theyll be taking the measure of us. Theyll be wondering just how far they can go Im going to give the fellas out there the money they want. This crowd today says a hundred or so million will make the difference. I told them they got it more if they need it. I told them Im not going to let Vietnam go the way of China .
According to Stanley Karnow, author of Vietnam:
At a White House reception on Christmas Eve 1963 he [LBJ] told the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Just get me elected, and then you can have your war.
History shows that while JFK was disguising his true intent to withdraw from South Vietnam by pretending to believe in the domino theory and by publicly opposing a precipitate withdrawal, Lyndon Johnson the new President painted himself as the peace candidate in 1964 and successfully tarred Barry Goldwater, his opponent in the 1964 election, as a warmonger even though LBJs firm intention, from the weekend of the assassination, was to escalate in Vietnam. The irony of this situation is stunning, and profoundly depressing.
The actions and decisions of individual leaders can, and often do, make a difference. The tale above about Vietnam is a cautionary one for those who disparage, and tend to deny, the influence of great men on the course of history. After all, isnt this why we have elections? History is more than some abstract amalgam of economic and political forces forcing mankind down irrevocable paths of action. We have elections, and care about them so much at the time, because we recognize that key decisions, made by national leaders on important issues, can powerfully affect the course of history.
CONTINUED...
SOURCE: http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/jfks-war-with-the-national-security-establishment-why-kennedy-was-assassinated-part-7/
7-part article begins here: http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/jfks-war-against-the-national-security-establishment/
Thanks for grokking, SixString. The wheels fell of democracy 50 years ago. although we wouldn't know it from the Corporate McPravda, today, as George W Bush said: "Money trumps peace."
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JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation [View all]
Octafish
Dec 2013
OP
It's hard to argue against facts, so have a little sympathy for those who try so hard to distract
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#21
I suppose, but it's a bit futile to try to hide facts because they have a way of surfacing even if
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#24
People at Duquesne asked Jefferson Morley and David Talbot about Los Angeles...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#8
check this out....review of Morley's book about Joannides. this thread reminded me of Winston Scott
Gabi Hayes
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#12
Thank you for the heads-up, Gabi Hayes! CTKA does not hold back, even for one of its own...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#28
Mary Meyer was the person to whom I referred, re: Angleton swooping in on the scene after her
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#29
hey! my painting! just goes to show what a bit of moldy rye will do to your perspective. wonder
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#36
I remember being flabbergasted by deMohrenschildt's demise, as well as the rest of his story,
Gabi Hayes
Dec 2013
#30
Thank you, Octafish. I appreciate all the information you bring from the Duquesne Conference.
Zen Democrat
Dec 2013
#26
Presenting sponsor was the Heinz History Center, a Smithsonian affiliated institution...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#27
Douglas Horne of the ARRB sees JFK at war with the national security establishment...
Octafish
Dec 2013
#39
It's no wonder the CIA/former OSS team would obsfucate, obstruct and obliterate the HSCA
bobthedrummer
Dec 2013
#40
Thank you for the "what that means" hyperlink. The National Security Archive is a trusted site for
bobthedrummer
Dec 2013
#43
6-member Duquesne Media Panel ALL said the topic is taboo in national news media.
Octafish
Dec 2013
#48