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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Reply From a Conspiracy Believer
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:57 AM
Dec 2013

by Gaeton Fonzi

Vincent Bugliosi must be exhausted. He not only churned out more than 1600 pages of tautologically strained contentions to support his book’s pretentious title, Reclaiming History, he must be weary from wrestling with the multitude of distortions and twisted conclusions he was forced to make to support his primary assertion.

His primary assertion? Swallow that mouthful of Dr. Pepper before you read this: “...it has been established beyond all doubt that Oswald killed Kennedy.”

Fearful of endowing his abhorrent duplicity with any hint of legitimacy, I hesitate to take the time and effort to respond to all the ungrounded contentions he makes about my role as a federal investigator in the case and about certain areas of evidence with which I was involved. There are, however, two very significant segments of the investigation that Bugliosi, with clever distortion and selected omission of facts, defiles truth and history. And having cited as a source my own book, The Last Investigation, he had to be well aware of its documented adherence to the historical facts. (Former U.S. Senator Richard Schweiker graciously provided a jacket blurb citing the book for exactly that : “A rarity among Kennedy assassination books, (it) does not indulge in sensational or bizarre conspiracy theories.”)

One key contention that Bugliosi repeatedly makes is that my approach to the investigation was biased because, before I was hired by the HSCA, I “had long been a conspiracy theorist.” Bugliosi uses the term “conspiracy theorist” with the same poisonous implication that Joe McCarthy used when he stigmatized anyone who defied him as a “Communist sympathizer.” In my case, Bugliosi was forced to characterize my viewpoint as anything but objective in order to distort the validity of certain evidence I had discovered – evidence that knocked hell out of his and the Warren Commission’s crucial single bullet theory and the branding of Oswald as the lone assassin.

[font color="blue"]Bugliosi is wrong. I was never a “conspiracy theorist.” I went from an agnostic to a conspiracy believer. [/font color]Like millions of Americans and almost all journalists whose Fourth Estate responsibility mandates that they maintain a critical oversight of our Government, I didn’t question the Warren Report when it was published. Didn’t even read it. Its assertions and conclusions came to me from the daily press and the national news networks. And the most respected and nationally influential newspapers – including The New York Times – editorially praised the Report and instantly endorsed its conclusions. This despite the fact that the 26-volumes of evidence which the Commission claimed backed its critical conclusions weren’t available to the press until more than two months after the release of the Report.

SNIP...

When Veciana first revealed the existence of a Maurice Bishop, the Church Committee was in the midst of probing the CIA’s unauthorized activities. In reaction, David Atlee Phillips had “retired” from the Agency to form the Retired Intelligence Officers Association to defend the Agency from unfavorable public criticism. He had gotten some press notice, including a brief article with his photo in People magazine. I wasn’t aware of that when I was questioning Veciana about “Bishop,” nor had I ever heard of Phillips. After exhausting our short list of possible CIA agents who had worked anti-Castro activities, showing Veciana as many photos as we could get, we decided to have him work with a police artist to develop a sketch of Bishop. When Senator Schweiker saw the sketch, he said the face looked familiar. Perhaps, Schweiker guessed, he was one of the string of CIA agents called to testify before the Church Committee in secret sessions. That evening he recalled the name of one of the agents who strikingly resembled the sketch of Bishop. His name, Schweiker remembered, was David Atlee Phillips.

CONTINUED...

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Reply_From_a_Conspiracy_Believer

PS: Thanks for the heads-up about Mr. Bugliosi and Mr. Phillips crossing paths. While the assassination may be 50 years old, there is no statute of limitations on murder or treason despite what the stone of madness makes one think.

We better pray that our Democratic candidate in 2016 is a Democrat. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1
Yes. A good Democrat. Octafish Dec 2013 #2
... SidDithers Dec 2013 #3
So, apart from ridicule, nothing to add, SidDithers? Octafish Dec 2013 #4
I think Sid thinks Dan Hardway is a professional craps player hootinholler Dec 2013 #5
For those not clear on the concept: Assassination has no place in Democracy. Octafish Dec 2013 #9
It's hard to argue against facts, so have a little sympathy for those who try so hard to distract sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #21
When you can't argue hootinholler Dec 2013 #22
I suppose, but it's a bit futile to try to hide facts because they have a way of surfacing even if sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #24
Sid likes to dither... It's in his nature, and name. SpcMnky Dec 2013 #14
... SidDithers Dec 2013 #17
You are most welcome, SpcMnky! Octafish Dec 2013 #23
The Guardian had something weird on Joannides a few years back starroute Dec 2013 #6
People at Duquesne asked Jefferson Morley and David Talbot about Los Angeles... Octafish Dec 2013 #8
check this out....review of Morley's book about Joannides. this thread reminded me of Winston Scott Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #12
Thank you for the heads-up, Gabi Hayes! CTKA does not hold back, even for one of its own... Octafish Dec 2013 #28
Mary Meyer was the person to whom I referred, re: Angleton swooping in on the scene after her Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #29
Gaeton Fonzi responds to Bugliosi's prosecutor's brief, I mean book: Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #33
"Maurice Bishop...was David Atlee Phillips" Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #34
Thanks for the heads-up, Gabi-san. A couple of threads on DU brought it up... Octafish Dec 2013 #35
hey! my painting! just goes to show what a bit of moldy rye will do to your perspective. wonder Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #36
Reply From a Conspiracy Believer Octafish Dec 2013 #37
UnLocking. greytdemocrat Dec 2013 #7
Kick to restore. johnnyreb Dec 2013 #10
More from Dan Hardway's presentation... Octafish Dec 2013 #19
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #11
What a former CIA agent said to the Congressional investigators... Octafish Dec 2013 #20
I remember being flabbergasted by deMohrenschildt's demise, as well as the rest of his story, Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #30
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #13
Thought you were locking these... SidDithers Dec 2013 #15
What's it to ya? Octafish Dec 2013 #16
It Can't Happen A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #18
Redacted from Lopez Report Octafish Dec 2013 #25
Thank you, Octafish. I appreciate all the information you bring from the Duquesne Conference. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #26
Presenting sponsor was the Heinz History Center, a Smithsonian affiliated institution... Octafish Dec 2013 #27
K&R n/t JohnyCanuck Dec 2013 #31
A great DUer told me to turn on the CBC... Octafish Dec 2013 #38
K&R for the unlock. SixString Dec 2013 #32
Douglas Horne of the ARRB sees JFK at war with the national security establishment... Octafish Dec 2013 #39
Thank you. SixString Dec 2013 #41
It's no wonder the CIA/former OSS team would obsfucate, obstruct and obliterate the HSCA bobthedrummer Dec 2013 #40
Thank you, bobthedrummer! Readers are Leaders... Octafish Dec 2013 #42
Thank you for the "what that means" hyperlink. The National Security Archive is a trusted site for bobthedrummer Dec 2013 #43
The Garrison Commission: On the Assassination of President Kennedy Octafish Dec 2013 #45
K&R for the unlock Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #44
Thank you, Waiting For Everyman. Ripples... Octafish Dec 2013 #46
A lot of good info throughout the o.p. and replies. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #47
6-member Duquesne Media Panel ALL said the topic is taboo in national news media. Octafish Dec 2013 #48
History written by the 'winners'. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #56
I didn't realize it was ever locked. Raksha Dec 2013 #50
See post 7, Rak. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #54
K & R Raksha Dec 2013 #49
Congress is the People and CIA lied to it and us. Octafish Dec 2013 #51
"As a Democrat, a DUer and as a citizen of the United States"..... Logical Dec 2013 #52
They are words that express why I wrote the OP. Octafish Dec 2013 #53
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #55
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