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In reply to the discussion: Defending Assange against sexual assault allegations [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)128. Here's why that's a very stupid argument
Why Sweden?
If the idea was for the US to entrap Assange, why do it in Sweden? We only have an "ok" relationship with Sweden. On the other hand, Assange was living in the UK at the time. They are our closest ally. They'd have happily helped with the set-up and then extradited Assange with a gift bow stuck to his head. If the victim is lying, there's no particular reason the victim has to be in Sweden to lie.
Instead, you are claiming we set up Assange in a country where we do not have as good a relationship and have much, much less resources in order to trap Assange with an act that isn't a crime in the US or UK.
That is a really, really stupid argument.
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Actually, there are many ways in which this case is not like Steubenville at all.
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#272
If anyone has the original document of the 2nd International Arrest Warrant for Assange
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#16
The reason Assange has lost so much support in the UK is because people there read
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#38
WHAT???? Did you not read the parts about the evidence given by witnesses? Assange called
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#221
Nonsense. Assange's witnesses...and his sworn deposition testified as to the
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#306
In this thread, BB has substantively addressed and demoloshed every argument I've seen
Recursion
Dec 2013
#17
After forty some years of standing up & fighting against political persecution...
countryjake
Dec 2013
#291
Assange isn't Wikleaks. Sweden doesn't have an arrest warrant out for Wikileaks
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#355
The screaming hypocrisy can be elucidated by recognizing that this same group would be assange's
GoneFishin
Dec 2013
#377
I think you're incorrect about the interview, and let me try to explain why....
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#363
I noticed that same thing. Accused Msanthrope of being "acerbic" but is ten times more hostile
Number23
Dec 2013
#185
lol You have terribly and VASTLY overestimated your affect on my psyche or your ability to read it
Number23
Dec 2013
#261
If you have the requisite courage to talk to a stranger on the Internet, please do.
DisgustipatedinCA
Dec 2013
#260
I agree. Rape needs to be stopped! If a person of power needs to be tried, let it happen ...
In_The_Wind
Dec 2013
#29
I remember for a while people were saying the rape allegation was just about a "broken condom."
Nine
Dec 2013
#26
This is the first OP of yours I can remember whole heartedly agreeing with. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#27
"The b--tch set me up". really? this is the man i am suppose to respect. fuck him.. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#30
You are using a story by a disgusting anti-Semite and Wikileaks employee that
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#32
Note also that the article provides the names of the sexual assault victims.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#61
Four people disagreed with you. To say that proves "misogyny is rampant here" is a stretch.
Comrade Grumpy
Dec 2013
#129
Majority of the jury voted to keep it. Misogyny and citing holocaust deniers along
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#95
Sure, because victim-shaming is okay if the alleged sexual assult perp is the star
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#110
"Has nothing to do with the NSA, "empire," authoritarianism, or one's views of government."
Vashta Nerada
Dec 2013
#35
Except that he doesn't say that he didn't do it. His own sworn deposition simply states
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#59
Post #220 is exactly what I said. He does not deny the facts of the case he disagrees with the
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#333
So it's just a coincidence that all of the people who vigorously promote those flimsy charges also
Marr
Dec 2013
#53
it must be difficult for you... looking at the acts alleged on that warrant,
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#156
No, I'm saying your belief in Assange's guilt is directly related to your position on NSA spying.
Marr
Dec 2013
#184
That's because the legal argument in which you speak was directed at extradition
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#178
You're using a long-discredited opnion piece by Naomi Wolf as a legal argument?
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#193
I'll let you work the google so you can figure out why a 3 year old rape apologia
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#307
I think you fundamentally misapprehend something here, so let me try again.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#319
Exactly...the judge was bound to the warrant because Assange didn't dispute the acts alleged.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#334
Exactly....because Assange did not raise 'innocence' as a ground for non-extradition,
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#366
You know....you are conflating a lot of different issues and you don't seem to
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#371
You mean his testimony on a matter completely unrelated to Assange's guilt or innocence?
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#376
Yes--that testimony that tells us that upon learning of his imminent arrest, Assange fled Sweden.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#382
That's not proof...that what the judge found Hurtig lied about. Again...you
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#389
You mean when the judge used the word "prevarication" to describe Hurtig's testimony, right?
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#393
When you start quoting from the decision, then we'll have something to talk about
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#395
Prevarication is not only a direct quote but was discussed upthread, extensively.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#397
The OP insists his position on the charges has nothing to do with his position on the NSA.
Marr
Dec 2013
#69
Three people, including me, are telling you that they take no position on the NSA.
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#74
Is it just a coincidence that your claim is 100% unsubstantiated and likely false? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#64
Yes, anyone who criticizes Assange and thinks he's trying to avoid culpability for his
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#93
I have vigorously opposed the NSA and other invasions to the point of having posts hidden
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#80
"I'm not a defender of Assange, I just think all of his accusers are part of a conspiracy
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#94
Some could be-- I don't know. What I *do* know is that I've noticed a correlation between
Marr
Dec 2013
#118
Sure. Which is why it's important to discuss the FACTS of his criminal case
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#124
"But it is foolish...to think that the law is never used to discredit people for political purposes"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#103
Setting him up in ostensibly neutral Sweden for a easily understood crime works much better
FarCenter
Dec 2013
#149
Assange will have his own counsel to bring to testimony any facts he sees fit. n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#81
I second Nuclear Unicorn's #80. This is solid work and agree with this wholeheartedly.
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#89
You "appear" to have a misplaced and extreme naive faith and belief in the forces
Zorra
Dec 2013
#125
Maybe the evidence that Sweden was complicit in some of the "rendition" flights?
hobbit709
Dec 2013
#135
Because Assange was always in the embassy. He wasn't walking around London before that.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#141
Selective naivete, I think. It goes with the selective ignorance and selective principles that have
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2013
#285
the entire statement is false. Assange does not claim the charges are trumped up
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#164
Fine. But, there are certainly some here who have decided he is guilty.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2013
#173
Based on your request for links it is evident you didn't read it with out some degree
Soundman
Dec 2013
#215
Shameless. The Guardian: 8/22/10 ~ "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange denies rape allegations"
Zorra
Dec 2013
#220
Only crickets I'm hearing are the ones that indicate a lack of reply to post 301....
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#327
Blah blah blah anybody who questions authority or exposes wrongdoing by your beloved authorities
Zorra
Dec 2013
#335
Describing someone as authoritarian who almost always supports, and who rarely or never
Zorra
Dec 2013
#337
And has since admitted the allegations while denying they constituted rape.
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#301
Oh, yeah, Julian thought a sleeping person was consenting to unprotected sex.
joshcryer
Dec 2013
#348
As we both know, fighting fascism is a lifetime commitment, until further notice.
Zorra
Dec 2013
#282
I was under the impression he was actually wanted for questioning in connection with allegations.
dipsydoodle
Dec 2013
#146
And now try "I raped the girl, but they are only prosecuting me because I am a political dissident"
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#222
One simple solution would be for the US to assure him that he wouldn't also be
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2013
#189
I wanted to get across that I do not think he committed a crime regarding Manning's leak.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#209
"The question for now is what you each of us here on DU is: Are you someone who believes some people
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#237
I kinda feel that way about those who try to label their ideological opponents as rape apologists
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#253
"We released over ten years of emails from the CIU and those climate scientists. . . "
ucrdem
Dec 2013
#242
You mean somewhere rape victims are considered human beings who actually matter?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#269
You mean somewhere where people are considered innocent until proven guilty?
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#289
It's simple...they must add a bit of truth, if they want to make their lies believable, to those
Zorra
Dec 2013
#286
Sorry, no cigar. There's no excuse for lending credence to the Climategate smears.
ucrdem
Dec 2013
#298
I falsely thought Wikileaks released everything but the "insurance" file proves they don't.
joshcryer
Dec 2013
#362
The first with the description, having read comments, appears neutral. I'll go along:
freshwest
Dec 2013
#380
Damn, you nailed it. Which is probably why his political party has already gone the
Number23
Dec 2013
#357
I appreciate that you are now calling Assange "this particular accused rapist."
Jim Lane
Dec 2013
#359
Note the utter victim shaming---the repeat of the utter lie that that the victim was paid. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#384
"Another is that the alleged victim seems to have been paid to make them and stick to them."
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#390
Why don't you simply explain why you clearly misrepresented his statement?
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#396
Right...keep trying to mitigate post 353. I think the more attention you draw to that
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#398
Strawman. There's nothing to mitigate. I'm asking why you misrepresented his statement.
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#400
Um..no. Kindly read the allegations--the specific acts on the warrant listed above
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#383