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12. If Barack Obama had been born white, would he have still become president?

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Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:53 PM

Dec 2013

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I'm a white person who grew up with significant disadvantages, however if I were black... [View all] CreekDog Dec 2013 OP

With respect, this poll is too vague and leaves much open to speculation. badtoworse Dec 2013 #1

I agree MissMillie Dec 2013 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Dec 2013 #5

Oh please. Get over yourself CreekDog Dec 2013 #4

I thought I said that in my post badtoworse Dec 2013 #7

yes, they would CreekDog Dec 2013 #8

I'll think of you when I see that argument being made here badtoworse Dec 2013 #9

I would hfojvt Dec 2013 #63

I think you are over-analyzing this badtoworse Dec 2013 #132

but the statement is not about two people hfojvt Dec 2013 #142

You are certainly making valid points badtoworse Dec 2013 #150

I had to google Geno hfojvt Dec 2013 #163

When I saw the Jet's logo, I assumed you were a fan badtoworse Dec 2013 #164

Hellz yeah. It was easier to get out of a trailer park riqster Dec 2013 #2

Because I'm white, it's easier to pass. BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #35

No matter how disadvantaged you were, I can guarantee before Cleita Dec 2013 #6

Nonsense. riqster Dec 2013 #42

+1 the law did not contribute to that. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #49

If you say so. However, if you are of a certain age and was in the work Cleita Dec 2013 #53

Your post said that the laws raised the bar for AA workers. riqster Dec 2013 #56

Call BS on it then. You aren't the first who refuse to believe that Cleita Dec 2013 #57

Confusing. riqster Dec 2013 #58

Don't bother to reply to this. Cleita Dec 2013 #59

Shrug. riqster Dec 2013 #61

I think her point was that pre-affirmative action, there was no reason needed Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #71

Plausible. Thanks! riqster Dec 2013 #73

Thank you. That's what I meant. Cleita Dec 2013 #103

You are right. I have witnessed racial and gender discrimination. The people that bluestate10 Dec 2013 #96

People don't want to believe it exists because it's Cleita Dec 2013 #102

It is there and it is a scourge that any person running a company that wants the company bluestate10 Dec 2013 #107

I am a white person who grew up with precious few disadvantages... MadrasT Dec 2013 #10

I spent years attempting to explain white privilege to the mr.... me b zola Dec 2013 #11

If Barack Obama had been born white, would he have still become president? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #12

wow, another white person (I'm white too), who thinks the exception proves the rule CreekDog Dec 2013 #13

Are you implying that he was aided by his skin color? Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #14

Why not? Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #15

So, Nye, you praise Thatcher, say that Obama got elected because he was black... CreekDog Dec 2013 #17

+1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #51

Most certainly treestar Dec 2013 #26

Because it's so easy to become president when you're black Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #27

What's your freeper handle? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #28

If Barack was white CFLDem Dec 2013 #29

agreed, it would have been Hillary n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2013 #36

Hypotheses are not truth. They are possibly true. Nt. riqster Dec 2013 #43

No CFLDem Dec 2013 #45

Nevertheless, all you have is an opinion based on a hypothesis. riqster Dec 2013 #46

Weak truth CFLDem Dec 2013 #47

Still, neither is a valid truth, because neither has supporting data. riqster Dec 2013 #48

Barak Obama wouldnt be Barak Obama if he was white. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #50

Barack CreekDog Dec 2013 #123

hmmm, sounds like there's some good logic in this... I wanted total opposite of Bush too uponit7771 Dec 2013 #143

I would wager, yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #30

yes gollygee Dec 2013 #32

With his biography sans, certainly yes. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #108

The biggest factor in determining future wealth is the wealth of your parents Taitertots Dec 2013 #16

it is inequality, but it is also race CreekDog Dec 2013 #18

Do you think disadvantaged groups benefit by having a tiny cabal of them join the 0.1%? Taitertots Dec 2013 #19

why are you arguing with me? racism is still with us in institutional and other ways CreekDog Dec 2013 #20

Do you really believe this? gollygee Dec 2013 #34

Holy shit Number23 Dec 2013 #22

I love when I fall down JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #52

Yeah, but it was SATURDAY when I typed that post! Number23 Dec 2013 #74

While true, you ignore the racial distribution of wealth Scootaloo Dec 2013 #77

White privilege definitely exists. We can't *know* what the path not taken looks like, however... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #21

there are cultural differences between white and black that shape how we react to things? CreekDog Dec 2013 #23

Nope. That's not what was written. Here: NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #24

In a question about black and white, he refers to cultural explanation CreekDog Dec 2013 #25

So... I answered your question. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #75

There was a thought provoking article posted on the topic here about a week ago. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #37

Thanks for the link greatlaurel Dec 2013 #40

White people can never understand the racism non-whites undergo on a daily basis HipChick Dec 2013 #31

That is getting more and more obvious gollygee Dec 2013 #33

I got a lol out of this post. Glassunion Dec 2013 #38

you can take part in this poll, if you cannot, that is your own limitation CreekDog Dec 2013 #39

I'm not upset in the least. It gave me a good chuckle at the irony. That's all. Glassunion Dec 2013 #55

I didn't say you were upset CreekDog Dec 2013 #60

I could, however it would be a lie for me to answer the poll. Glassunion Dec 2013 #62

quit with the bullshit, the poll isn't limited to any racial or ethnic group CreekDog Dec 2013 #64

Oh for fuck sakes, lighten up. Glassunion Dec 2013 #65

you're disrupting this thread CreekDog Dec 2013 #66

Ok. So I read your post wrong. Glassunion Dec 2013 #67

you disrupted, you misread the post then spammed the thread with nonsense CreekDog Dec 2013 #68

I disrupted? Glassunion Dec 2013 #69

you disrupted when you misread the post claiming I only wrote it to exclude your participation CreekDog Dec 2013 #70

You need to take a breath. Really. You are reading way too much into this. Glassunion Dec 2013 #72

people posting conservative things are always giving me advice about breathing CreekDog Dec 2013 #79

Here we go pintobean Dec 2013 #82

It's your idea, you do the paperwork CreekDog Dec 2013 #83

It's your game pintobean Dec 2013 #84

No, you tried to give me orders and make me do your dirty work CreekDog Dec 2013 #86

See post #81. /nt pintobean Dec 2013 #87

No I don't see it CreekDog Dec 2013 #89

Trifecta! Glassunion Dec 2013 #85

It's been like this for years. pintobean Dec 2013 #90

His goal isn't discussion or understanding, but the opposite. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #94

I see you've made a new friend CreekDog Dec 2013 #99

for the people answering that it would be easier if black CreekDog Dec 2013 #41

I noticed that. WTF indeed. DLevine Dec 2013 #44

Fucking trolls Feral Child Dec 2013 #54

Why did you ask a question in which any of the answers are wrong? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #76

the polls show DU to be a very progressive place...this poll shows that as well CreekDog Dec 2013 #78

For someone uninterested in answers, you ask a lot of questions. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #80

i'm uninterested in *your* answers because it was heading in an Archie Bunker direction CreekDog Dec 2013 #134

He posts polls to do research on DUers that answer them. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #81

No, I post polls to either gauge overall support of an issue CreekDog Dec 2013 #88

Then what are you talking about here: Skip Intro Dec 2013 #91

what i'm talking about is what I said CreekDog Dec 2013 #92

Why in the world would you be ashamed CreekDog? Thes "polls" do exactly what any push-poll does. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #104

it's a push poll when we ask basic questions about the existence of racism and disadvantage here CreekDog Dec 2013 #105

Oh, I'm sorry... bluesbassman Dec 2013 #109

well if you think we should be through discussing racism and disadvantage on DU CreekDog Dec 2013 #110

Thoughtful and genuine discussions about racism and disadvantage are always enlightening. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #127

actually most of the people arguing with me didn't vote in the poll CreekDog Dec 2013 #128

Well I'm sure the collective Progressive consiousness of DU has been elevated by your poll. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #129

so sorry my polls don't meet your obviously high scientific standards CreekDog Dec 2013 #130

No need to apologize, your polls are sorry enough. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #131

go talk to your friend HopeHoops CreekDog Dec 2013 #133

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How can you consider the poll results valid.. Upton Dec 2013 #138

Since you disagree with most DUers on most issues CreekDog Dec 2013 #145

"Since you disagree with most DUers on most issues" Upton Dec 2013 #148

That wasn't a moral observation, but an empirical one CreekDog Dec 2013 #149

As already suggested.. Upton Dec 2013 #151

i don't keep a dossier and i don't keep track of the people who vote stupidly in my polls CreekDog Dec 2013 #152

" to encourage unity on that which nearly all DUers agree" pintobean Dec 2013 #153

Yes, it is. CreekDog Dec 2013 #154

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #156

yes, they are alerting most of my posts CreekDog Dec 2013 #157

thanks for the alert! CreekDog Dec 2013 #158

LOL Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #159

With my simplistic and limited ability pintobean Dec 2013 #160

+1 lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #165

The problem is "we" are refusing to discuss it. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #136

Why would you consider your posts a "dossier" on you? CreekDog Dec 2013 #146

As of now, I'm as uninterested in your questions as you are in my answers. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #147

you should thank me. i probably stopped you from getting banned. CreekDog Dec 2013 #161

Why don't you tell me what I think about racial subcultures? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #162

The Meta threads were much better pintobean Dec 2013 #93

Oh yeah. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #95

if you feel so strongly about this, feel free to post a poll asking members here CreekDog Dec 2013 #97

I'm sorry I can't be more like you and Skip Intro CreekDog Dec 2013 #98

What does that bs have to do with pintobean Dec 2013 #100

why don't you post my "Meta disaster" so everyone can decide what they think CreekDog Dec 2013 #101

. pintobean Dec 2013 #106

afraid to let others judge whether it really is a "disaster"? CreekDog Dec 2013 #111

ROFL! n/t Skip Intro Dec 2013 #112

Wow. You are laughing pretty hard considering what you pulled in Meta last Christmas: CreekDog Dec 2013 #113

You're linking to a poster pintobean Dec 2013 #114

honestly, that you're defending this person is really a strike against them CreekDog Dec 2013 #115

Do you miss the toadies? pintobean Dec 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Dec 2013 #117

if you don't like this place or liberal causes, nobody is forcing you to give liberals a hard time CreekDog Dec 2013 #118

No, it's about you. pintobean Dec 2013 #119

You follow me around, how could i get lonely? CreekDog Dec 2013 #120

maybe you can go support Skip Intro when he calls Trayvon Martin a racist CreekDog Dec 2013 #122

Link or you're lying. (You're lying). Skip Intro Dec 2013 #126

CreekDog lies. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #155

hey pintobean, here's what you're doing here --now everyone will understand CreekDog Dec 2013 #124

so you know that Skip did that which was described CreekDog Dec 2013 #121

enjoy the laugh, i understand you need one CreekDog Dec 2013 #125

Not That I Ever Had Much Money... ChiciB1 Dec 2013 #135

Why the fuck did I even open this Meta mess. HappyMe Dec 2013 #137

Nobody expects the inquisition rrneck Dec 2013 #139

is anybody forcing you to post here? CreekDog Dec 2013 #141

Okay. rrneck Dec 2013 #144