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Ace Acme

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221. We don't know anything of the sort.

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:44 PM

Nov 2013

If he was a patsy he may have been ordered to bring a package of curtain rods to the TSBD, or even ordered to bring the gun.

Plus the paraffin test was negative.

You guys have not thought this thing through.

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Those who demand that everyone "just ACCEPT that Oswald did it"... [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2013 OP

They are still left with one unconfortable fact Warpy Nov 2013 #1

Oswald had a motive. We'll never know what it was. That doesn't negate physical evidence. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #5

Oswald had a motive, but you can't tell us what it was, and can provide no evidence? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #18

Well, of course he had a motive. He did do it. Something motivated him to do what he did. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #38

He did it, so he must have had a motive. That's how circular reasoning works. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #41

Having a motive follows from his doing it. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #42

See what I mean? He had a motive because he did it. He did it because he had a motive. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #87

2 + 2 = 4. 4 = 2 + 2. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #93

Arithmetic is trivial. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #95

Ace, I will allow that if establishing he did it means you accepting he did it Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #101

You're trying to make it my fault that you can't prove your case. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #140

I don't accept you as a judge of what's proven and what's not. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #150

+1000. And LMFAO. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #171

Nope, that's not how circular reasoning works William Seger Nov 2013 #75

Pop quiz: argument from ignorance. Which is what you thrive on. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #89

As I've said before... William Seger Nov 2013 #99

It must seem peculiar to you, as you never employ it. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #141

Either you were wrong about the meaning of "circular reasoning" ... William Seger Nov 2013 #148

Empty assertions must have worked very well for you over the years, "William" Ace Acme Nov 2013 #323

I believe he probably did do it. But what was his motive? Generally speaking when someone commits a sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #146

Good question, sabrina 1. And one that has never really been answered. Th1onein Nov 2013 #326

This has much more explanatory power than speculation about the unknown. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #329

Sorry, that's not a motive. Th1onein Nov 2013 #330

An undiagnosed disorder is not the absence of a disorder. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #331

But it's not evidence. Th1onein Nov 2013 #334

No, I said it NPD can explain motive, not that it was motive. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #339

True, and every time I have asked it the response is usually 'he wanted attention, he was a miserabe sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #335

Motive, means, opportunity. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #90

Wrong. Motive never needs to be established in US criminal law. Only intent needs to be established. stopbush Nov 2013 #117

So what's your point? Do you think intent was established? How? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #142

Um ... blurting out 'wrong' at people and telling them they shouldn't lie ... is kinda rude ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #173

Sorry if I suggested that. Motive is not a necessary element, but a prosecutor JDPriestly Nov 2013 #192

Exactly. And if you ever get a satisfactory answer re: Oswald, the same questions apply to Ruby. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #226

What laws of physics need to be suspended for the WC conclusions to work? stopbush Nov 2013 #248

Newton's first law BlueStreak Nov 2013 #257

Regarding the various probabilitiwes of the theories BlueStreak Nov 2013 #258

But we do have the evidence. Let's start by ignoring what evidence is unknown. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #261

That's the problem. You assume that suppressed or covered-up evidence never existed. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #262

If. If. If. That is speculation. I won't play if we speculate about unknowns. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #263

You need to demonstrate you understand something of the political climate of the time BlueStreak Nov 2013 #264

OK, well I cannot and will not produce my academic credentials for you. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #265

You are missing the point. It is called a cover-up BlueStreak Nov 2013 #267

Oh I see. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #268

So, let's discuss: stopbush Nov 2013 #269

I agree. When there is a pre-determined set of conclusions, it is not hard to BlueStreak Nov 2013 #272

That's it? That's your contribution to a serious discussion? stopbush Nov 2013 #273

I did. Your note showed that after 40 years BlueStreak Nov 2013 #274

Ever stop to think they wouldn't need to confirm and reconfirm the scientific findings stopbush Nov 2013 #275

Rather simple physics calculations will show that matter can travel both forwards and backwards struggle4progress Nov 2013 #290

I don't know about the math BlueStreak Nov 2013 #294

This is similar, but slow motion: the bullet comes from the left, and struggle4progress Nov 2013 #295

That's not what the author says BlueStreak Nov 2013 #296

It's very hard to see in the second video: I had to watch it with repeated stops struggle4progress Nov 2013 #297

Ridiculous. A-historic and non-scientific. stopbush Dec 2013 #362

Read the link I already provided BlueStreak Dec 2013 #363

Well, at least you admit that you misspoke. That's more than one gets from most CTists. stopbush Dec 2013 #364

This witness clearly felt Specter bullied him and others. The process was set up for that. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #365

Sure - that doctor would be on his face a better witness than some guy on the internet. stopbush Dec 2013 #370

I will never give any credence to a panel that had no adversary system BlueStreak Dec 2013 #371

And yet, you give mega-credence to Oswald's statement that he was a patsy. stopbush Dec 2013 #372

Because he was murdered before the statement could be challenged BlueStreak Dec 2013 #373

Some people on this site would rather believe that truedelphi Nov 2013 #178

What silly people! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #189

Don't keep going around in circles with him. It's a waste of your time, Raksha Nov 2013 #184

Hello! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #188

Mary Pinchot Meyer billhicks76 Nov 2013 #186

"I have no time for apologists who think Oswald wasn't a patsy." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #187

What about all the deaths afterwards? brush Nov 2013 #276

Thank God John Hinkley lived ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #283

yet some people readily buy Ruby's stated motive: "to save Jackie Kennedy another trip to Dallas" KurtNYC Dec 2013 #366

We've had 50 years to figure out a motive. Clearly by now it is clear that since there is no sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #145

The man has been dead for fifty years. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #151

No it doesn't, but knowing his motive would explain why he did it. His brother is still alive, sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #152

He did speak pandr32 Nov 2013 #183

OJ said he didn't do it, either. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #185

That is a silly comparison pandr32 Nov 2013 #197

So you admit that it is possible for a guilty person to pretend he or she is innocent? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #198

A guilty person might claim innocence, but a decompensated jealous nut-job who wants Ace Acme Nov 2013 #287

Yeah... Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #293

Thanks for demonstrating that I left you speechless nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #299

Several years ago they conducted a mock avebury Nov 2013 #333

James DiEugenio says Spence did a terrible job on defense Ace Acme Dec 2013 #341

Well I would have voted not guilty. avebury Dec 2013 #343

Or he did have a motive. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #9

He worked for the CIA RobertEarl Nov 2013 #45

Bush at the CIA RobertEarl Nov 2013 #51

No, he didn't? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #71

That's what they told you RobertEarl Nov 2013 #76

Who is "they"? Oswald was extensively investigated. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #80

He was a patsy RobertEarl Nov 2013 #84

I see, you don't actually care what the conclusions of any investigation were. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #85

Sure I do RobertEarl Nov 2013 #91

Except there's no evidence of that. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #96

Well RobertEarl Nov 2013 #98

"an agent of the CIA is never admitted to being an agent." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #137

+1 DiverDave Nov 2013 #134

+1. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #172

So says Oliver Stone. The evidence in the case says something else. stopbush Nov 2013 #249

Yeah. What do facts know. Stupid, ignorant facts. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #277

Hardly irrelevant Warpy Nov 2013 #69

Not really. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #72

Can I point out that to this day, we don't know what make and model Oswald used. truedelphi Nov 2013 #179

False. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #181

Except the Mannlicher-Carcano had its name embossed on it. truedelphi Nov 2013 #203

It was filmed and photographed. It is Oswald's rifle and not a Mauser. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #206

Again, the gun that was ultimately determined to be "Oswald's gun" was truedelphi Nov 2013 #209

Yes, it did Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #212

This frustrates me Paolo123 Nov 2013 #284

And, why is the government still burying Cha Nov 2013 #50

Bugliosi dedicates 16 pages of *Reclaiming History* to Oswald's motive. stopbush Nov 2013 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #174

Eh... Oye. Agschmid Nov 2013 #2

They are trying to hide the fact that the MIC runs the world Awknid Nov 2013 #3

Trying to hide it, or trying to demonstrate it? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #19

I'll speak for myself, thank you very goddamn much. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #4

+1 ReRe Nov 2013 #12

You will... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #30

Who said you couldn't speak to the powers who think we can't handle the truth? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #40

We can speak, but we can't be heard. Money swears so loud there's no point. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #43

The natural result of conspiratorial thinking - political pessimism. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #47

The natural result of political coverups--political cynicism and despair nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #83

Chill... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #44

Couldn't find one post of mine saying anything of the sort. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #46

Chill... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #52

Still can't find a single post of mine where I've said anything of the sort? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #53

Quit trying to defend yourself and chill MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #56

A third post with nothing to back up your fucking stupid assertion about me and my motivations. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #58

I have nothing to say about "your fucking stupid assertions about me"... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #59

Keep digging. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #60

I think you're just lonely tonight... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #63

Keep digging. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #64

No, Bolo, no one's digging... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #67

Keep digging. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #68

people clearly can't handle the truth, hence all the CT's. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #125

If you apply Occam's razor what is the most likely? Kablooie Nov 2013 #6

Well since William of Ockham died in 1347... ElboRuum Nov 2013 #7

Oh I see. The Pythagorean theorem has been superseded by entropic confusion. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #20

He he he...I was thinking it and you said it. Missn-Hitch Nov 2013 #27

Actually, it's been superseded by the whole Gillette vs. Barbasol debate. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #164

Right. It can't be a triangle because two sides are much simpler. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #165

Two sides are vexing. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #168

If you spent as much time actually consider what Ockham said... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #39

If you've studied Ockham... Kablooie Nov 2013 #113

The precision of a razor depends on the skill of its user. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #143

Ah. Sweeney Todd then. Thanks. Kablooie Nov 2013 #147

Well that was a needlessly spiky response to an attempt at humor. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #163

Er, Ruby's cancer wasn't diagnosed until THREE YEARS AFTER HE KILLED OSWALD. stopbush Nov 2013 #57

Here is more info: kentuck Nov 2013 #154

Wow, thanks, some new info for me dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #176

That article is quite misleading, omitting information, providing half-quotes, etc. stopbush Nov 2013 #210

It's a valid statement that is typically true much more often than not, but that does not Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #156

Occam's Razor basically says that the simpler theory is simpler. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #161

Actually I'm pretty sure national polling says the opposite - eom dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #177

No. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #352

I would agree if you add "to start your analysis". Occam didnt claim that the simpler rhett o rick Dec 2013 #359

No-one is demanding that, actually Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #8

Yes consider the evidence. zeemike Nov 2013 #11

The Church Committee found no such thing? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #14

Then why did they say this? zeemike Nov 2013 #32

They said that based on audio evidence that was later disproved. DanTex Nov 2013 #62

Well it don't matter what evidence I present to you zeemike Nov 2013 #78

I'm just repeating the conclusions of HSCA. DanTex Nov 2013 #86

Who told you it was based on the audio evidence alone? zeemike Nov 2013 #100

The HSCA report. DanTex Nov 2013 #103

I know where to find the report... zeemike Nov 2013 #106

I'm not asking you to change my mind. I'm truly interested in the evidence you have. DanTex Nov 2013 #110

Nope I won't bite. zeemike Nov 2013 #127

That's too bad. But not too surprising. DanTex Nov 2013 #128

Well here you go then. zeemike Nov 2013 #129

Really? A funny youtube video? Hopefully you are joking. DanTex Nov 2013 #130

Right here: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #118

Er, because they made a mistake. stopbush Nov 2013 #66

I am sorry, but your certainty about things is a red flag to me. zeemike Nov 2013 #82

You don't have to sit through something when you can read their reports. stopbush Nov 2013 #92

So that reasoning is as conclusive as DNA now? zeemike Nov 2013 #109

Please link me to where the audio evidence was zeemike Nov 2013 #88

Here's a link to the Natl Academy of Sciences report on the dictabelt evidence. DanTex Nov 2013 #97

So who falsified it? zeemike Nov 2013 #104

It wasn't falsified, it was an error. DanTex Nov 2013 #105

Sigh...."falsifying" means disproving a claim. stopbush Nov 2013 #114

Well we are not talking about scientific theory here zeemike Nov 2013 #124

Sorry, but you're just wrong on this. stopbush Nov 2013 #132

I understand the language. zeemike Nov 2013 #133

Wrong again. I clearly used the language to discuss the scientific aspect of a criminal stopbush Nov 2013 #211

So then zeemike Nov 2013 #213

No, wrong yet again. I was talking about scientific evidence. You changed the context stopbush Nov 2013 #215

I am sorry but this discussion IS about a criminal matter. zeemike Nov 2013 #218

You're consistently wrong because you are not allowing for words to have different meanings stopbush Nov 2013 #220

Well the reason words have different meanings is because they are used in different subjects. zeemike Nov 2013 #222

Would the Dictabelt tape be considered physical evidence? stopbush Nov 2013 #227

Holey shit....you mean impressions left by a needle inscribed on a disk is not a physical thing? zeemike Nov 2013 #229

They're not considered to be physical evidence in a legal sense. They're documentary evidence. stopbush Nov 2013 #231

Wow, you sure are a word wrangler. zeemike Nov 2013 #236

Sadly, you're now displaying the kind of truculence that is typical of JFK CTists. stopbush Nov 2013 #244

And you are displaying arrogance and a condescending demeanor. zeemike Nov 2013 #251

Arrogance? Citing dictionary definitions and facts is arrogance? Insulting you? stopbush Nov 2013 #252

Here ya go: stopbush Nov 2013 #108

That's the HSCA. Not the Church Committee. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #74

It was a coup d'état 50 years ago today. roamer65 Nov 2013 #10

The pressure to advertise when Oswald was being transferred allowed Ruby to hit him seveneyes Nov 2013 #13

Oswald was moved about an hour later than planned. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #16

Then Ruby starts to spill the beans a bit on cameras. roamer65 Nov 2013 #17

How many coups d'état have we had in the USA in the past 50 years? stopbush Nov 2013 #253

Another with Bush/Gore 2000. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #353

Give me a coherent theory, supported by actual evidence -- instead of a big steaming heap struggle4progress Nov 2013 #15

It is sufficient to point out the shortcomings of the official theory Ace Acme Nov 2013 #23

It would be sufficient to create reasonable doubt if LHO were on trial: that is a simple matter struggle4progress Nov 2013 #48

Even if it's LHO's rifle, that doesn't prove he was the shooter. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #94

The task IMO is to provide a convincing alternative theory struggle4progress Nov 2013 #111

What evidence would you accept that proved Oswald was the shooter? stopbush Nov 2013 #120

You never heard of surgical gloves? How droll. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #166

So, your imaginary shooter who showed up at the TSBD to fire Oswald's rifle stopbush Nov 2013 #216

Any fool can make up a nonsense scenario. It has nothing to do with the fact Ace Acme Nov 2013 #217

Except that we know it was Oswald who brought the gun to the TSBD and did the shooting. stopbush Nov 2013 #219

We don't know anything of the sort. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #221

More bullshit. stopbush Nov 2013 #232

The positive was on his palms, not the back of his hands. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #241

Your citing of the paraffin tests in your previous post is an excellent example stopbush Nov 2013 #243

The meaningless paraffin test was positive. For the palms of the hands. Not the backs. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #279

Okay, let's assume Oswald didn't fire a shot. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #233

Maybe he was truly carrying curtain rods. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #280

Maybe he truly was carrying curtain rods. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #282

Maybe he was ordered to carry curtain rods. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #285

I suppose it's possible. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #286

After the president was killed, LHO would see there was no point in talking about curtain rods. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #288

No? Even when directly asked about them by Captain Fritz? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #289

Of course any patsy recognizing he was the patsy would react in panic mode nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #291

Of course. Any innocent person being framed will lie about the truth. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #292

A patsy recognizing that he's been manipulated into performing suspicious acts Ace Acme Nov 2013 #298

Yes, like I said, innocent people always lie. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #300

I didn't say innocent people always lie. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #301

Yes, and in his panic mode he would scream "I'm just a patsy" nyquil_man Nov 2013 #302

Yes, in panic mode he'd say "I'm just a patsy". Why would you think otherwise? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #304

As I've said, I think he would. I also think he'd lie over and over again. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #305

I didn't say he was innocent. I said he may have been a patsy. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #306

So far, all you've accused Oswald of doing is carrying curtain rods to work. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #307

I didn't say that. There's no point in discussing the issues with someone Ace Acme Nov 2013 #308

The issue I'm discussing is your hypothesis that Oswald was a patsy. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #309

Your assumption that Oswald would have no reason to deny bringing curtain rods Ace Acme Nov 2013 #310

I expect an innocent person being set up to behave in a manner nyquil_man Nov 2013 #311

I'll suppose that you have never been seriously unjustly accused. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #312

And now we have a second hypothesis. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #313

What makes you think LHO wasn't trained in covert ops? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #314

Garbage assumptions? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #315

Garbage assumptions, garbage conclusions. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #316

Still projecting. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #317

Indeed, you are. You make no sense. TKO! nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #318

That reminds me. Did you contact your representative yet? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #319

My representative is bought and paid for by the 1% Ace Acme Nov 2013 #320

Yes, of course. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #321

My Representative's raison d'être is to prove there's no point in trying. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #322

You accept his 'proof' without challenge. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #325

My Representative is Corrupt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #336

Senator Wellstone? Where the hell did that come from? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #340

Re: Wellstone, I guess I got my threads mixed up Ace Acme Dec 2013 #347

So say the creationists. Orsino Nov 2013 #235

You don't think they're just trolls? JVS Nov 2013 #21

Just go back to sleep Cheap_Trick Nov 2013 #22

I don't know what really happened but the Warren Commission is a load of crap. n/t bluetexas Nov 2013 #24

So I assume you read the WCR? zappaman Nov 2013 #28

Exhibit One - The Magic Bullet bluetexas Nov 2013 #36

What was magic about the single bullet? Please explain. stopbush Nov 2013 #77

Magic bullets are what conspiricists propose as an alternative William Seger Nov 2013 #112

It's a fact Oswald acted alone, just as it is a fact the Holocaust happened. duffyduff Nov 2013 #25

You are correct that it doesn"t matter what i think PDJane Nov 2013 #26

We still don't know the truth. Exclamation Point. bluetexas Nov 2013 #29

Wow! It's a fact! Stop the presses! An anonymous internet poster reveals the truth! nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #33

Anyone who thinks there has never been any credible evidence proving Oswald didn't act alone... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #35

Of course, first it was as open and shut as the moon landing, SolutionisSolidarity Nov 2013 #37

ending a rant with "period." is the sign of a close-minded asswipe scheming daemons Nov 2013 #49

It's a fact that a conspiracy has not been proven, but that does not prove Oswald acted alone. Martin Eden Nov 2013 #149

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #167

Well said cpwm17 Nov 2013 #158

I agree with this post. ^^^ oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #271

Have at it, by all means. BeatleBoot Nov 2013 #31

The next thing you tell me is that the Gulf of Tonkin was merely a pretext for war. SolutionisSolidarity Nov 2013 #34

And Paul Wellstone YOHABLO Nov 2013 #73

Not to mention a holocaust denier. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #81

Who demanded? creeksneakers2 Nov 2013 #55

of course no one said anything like that, author's common strawman. grantcart Nov 2013 #175

It's plain that Oswald didn't do it. indivisibleman Nov 2013 #61

Oswald had all sorts of motives. There is now an article at Slate.com The Second Stone Nov 2013 #65

thanks, Mulder dionysus Nov 2013 #70

*IF* ony one person fired the shot, that doesn't mean others won't behind. Incitatus Nov 2013 #79

I not very concerned if people believe Oswald was the sole shooter ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #102

How many seconds did it take for Oswald to make those three shots? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #107

Anywhere from 6 to 11 seconds. stopbush Nov 2013 #115

Almost 24 years nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #169

First post on this JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #116

This has come full circle back to Richard Hofstadter The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #119

I have always said there is no such thing as "too paranoid," Raksha Nov 2013 #191

They demand we suspend critical thinking CrawlingChaos Nov 2013 #121

Hey, I'm not demanding anything from you. Paladin Nov 2013 #122

No, they are not asking. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #123

Just like we're supposed to accept the inevitability of another Pres. Clinton... polichick Nov 2013 #126

+1 woo me with science Nov 2013 #139

Too bad, because I don't accept the "inevitability" of another Clinton presidency. Raksha Nov 2013 #193

+ A shit load! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #367

They tell us Fredo died because he was a bad swimmer, too. After all, we weren't there, so... valerief Nov 2013 #131

I don't give in to demands. Rex Nov 2013 #135

Who are... 99Forever Nov 2013 #136

I keep hearing Cartman "OBEY MY AUTHORITY" .. TBF Nov 2013 #138

I don't, just as I don't demand frogmarch Nov 2013 #144

It would be interesting to see how many people that do not believe in any conspiracy...? kentuck Nov 2013 #153

As i was only truedelphi Nov 2013 #182

I don't understand why it bothers the so much? notadmblnd Nov 2013 #155

A very good point indeed. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #157

Exactly. They doth protest too much. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #170

And with too much anger.............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #368

i think conspiracy theorists waste their time on bullshit but that is there choice to make La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #159

Lioness, your avatar seems a little ironic in the context of this post. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #196

its not a conspiracy that wars profit some people. there is nothing even hidden about it. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #202

The second I saw Oswald being shot it pretty much cemented my feelings that he did not appleannie1 Nov 2013 #160

Until that moment... kentuck Nov 2013 #162

Also mine. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #194

I saw it too, and my reaction was the same as yours. Raksha Nov 2013 #195

Listen to the interview of Jack Ruby. roamer65 Nov 2013 #224

Oswald hired by Hoover Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #180

I was quite young when this happened... RoccoR5955 Nov 2013 #190

Take a deep breath XRubicon Nov 2013 #199

Kick! sarcasmo Nov 2013 #200

it was 50 years ago and the principal players Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #201

Funny that birthers use the same stupid logic SpartanDem Nov 2013 #204

Many of us not normally into conspiracy theories - TBF Nov 2013 #207

"They are asking us to believe what we're told and to just get back in line." absquatulatewithme Nov 2013 #205

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #208

problem is, the conclusion ISN'T obvious. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #214

Pervasive hopelessness, cynicism, and apathy benefits the 1%. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #223

This author does just that: truedelphi Nov 2013 #225

Which is the Warren Commission's case against Oswald is BOGUS. Octafish Nov 2013 #237

Have you watched the new NOVA Cold case special yet? BootinUp Nov 2013 #238

Why, no. Does it ''prove'' the Warren Commission's case? Octafish Nov 2013 #239

It uses modern methods instead of someones best guess in 1963 BootinUp Nov 2013 #240

I'll keep in mind the Koch Brothers fund Nova. Octafish Nov 2013 #242

This crackpot is in the Cold Case JFK documentary too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #245

Yeah. They didn't let Josiah Thompson finish what he was saying. Octafish Nov 2013 #246

Is he willing to admit he is not a forensic scientist though? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #247

Thompson still clinging to discredited acoustic "evidence". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #255

And? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #254

Still making apologies for Oswald, the bastard who killed JFK. stopbush Nov 2013 #256

No apology necessary. Even a douche deserves a fair trial. Octafish Nov 2013 #260

I agree with you that Oswald was douche, and that he deserved a fair trial. stopbush Nov 2013 #270

Oh I see, he doesn't deserve a reasonable doubt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #324

You're fucking hilarious. BootinUp Nov 2013 #328

Thanks for sharing nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #337

He deserved to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but that ended when he was killed. stopbush Dec 2013 #338

He was never convicted. The Warren Commission started with the assumption of guilt. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #342

Wrong. The WC started with the mandate to discover the truth, not matter where it led. stopbush Dec 2013 #344

Whatever its stated mandate, the Warren Report started with a hasty FBI report. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #345

You better believe it, Abe! N/t zappaman Dec 2013 #346

Yes, the FBI issued a preliminary report within two weeks of the assassination. stopbush Dec 2013 #348

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #349

Not correct. stopbush Dec 2013 #350

You just said that Obama is the same as Bush???? zappaman Dec 2013 #351

Oh for Christ sake, he had the gun and everything. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #228

He did it, but not alone. Jack Ruby, was the key to the whole conspiracy theory. I beleive he demosincebirth Nov 2013 #230

It was Larry Flynt, on the Grassy Knoll. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #234

Well, he most likely did do it. KamaAina Nov 2013 #250

"Don't tell ME to sit down and shut up!" jazzimov Nov 2013 #259

Good observation... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #266

For some reason, some DUers can't entertain the idea that the government would lie to the People. Octafish Nov 2013 #278

Gulf of Tonkin was a fabrication also. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #355

JFK would never have fallen for phony INTEL, after the Bay of Pigs thing. Octafish Dec 2013 #356

They had to get rid of him warrprayer Nov 2013 #281

Oswald did do it lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #303

I see what you did there. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #358

Shhhhh lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #361

1000 times yes. defacto7 Nov 2013 #327

Some. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #332

Nobody is "demanding you just accept" anything. stopbush Dec 2013 #354

They argue that if you don't find the identity of the real killers then Oswald did it Pitagoras Dec 2013 #357

Oh pshaw. Maybe for some, but to simplify it down to that only is wrong. uppityperson Dec 2013 #360

Most people do not believe the WC findings. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #369