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(3,829 posts) Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:53 PM Nov 2013

Cold Case: JFK – NOVA program now online [View all]

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This show was made by scientists rather than conspiracy mongers so their conclusions may not be what some people want to hear:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html

They left out the fact that JFK's head did go forward at bullet impact, but it is only a one hour show so they couldn't cover everything.

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I thought it was fun when they didn't test the penetration capability... tridim Nov 2013 #1

Bullets can have a lot of power cpwm17 Nov 2013 #3

Fine, then they should have shown the test. tridim Nov 2013 #4

Great, now the folks that made this program are part of your great big conspiracy theory. cpwm17 Nov 2013 #7

Let them love their make believe. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #43

What conspiracy theory? mattclearing Nov 2013 #253

You missed this part of the post then... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #255

No, I didn't. mattclearing Nov 2013 #257

Yes perfect. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #258

And it had to be pristine after its journey rusty fender Nov 2013 #65

They discussed the condition of the bullet and explained everything including the exact way it kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #82

Completely believable. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #16

Great, then they should have shown the test. tridim Nov 2013 #18

I never said your ribs were mostly water. I said your whole body is. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #20

We much have watched different shows because they showed all the bullet tests on the show I watched. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #83

I've seen exactly that test performed on other TV shows that deal with stopbush Nov 2013 #40

That was an awesome show oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #175

LOL, so you do not believe one bullet did it? Now that cracks me up! nt Logical Nov 2013 #42

Ever notice that no one who knows guns doubts that? NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #50

NOVA showed that the bullet was able to penetrate nearly three feet of wood block struggle4progress Nov 2013 #79

They completely explained Connelly's wounds. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #81

I saw it and was pretty satified that it was Oswald alone. Before watching it I thought it might OregonBlue Nov 2013 #2

Thanks for being open to the evidence n/t cpwm17 Nov 2013 #9

I found Nova's forensic explanation pretty compelling left is right Nov 2013 #29

I thought so too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #33

It's not a "magic bullet" anyway. It is easy to see the trajectory of the bullet duffyduff Nov 2013 #55

The only way it could be a magic bullet Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #126

Exited the throat? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #135

The tracheotomy incision obliterated the exit wound. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #138

How did a tracheotomy incision obliterate a big gaping exit wound? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #141

Who said it was a big gaping wound? Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #150

Oh, so the bullet only started to tumble after it exited the throat. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #152

That would be correct. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #156

So what made the bullet start to tumble AFTER it left the body? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #159

Watch the show. I'm not going to type it's entire content for you. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #161

Does the show say the bullet started to tumble after it exited the throat? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #162

You're being silly now. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #163

The silliness is not mine. Do you think the necktie caused the bullet to spin? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #167

Have you seen the Cold Case documentary? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #181

If you really want to know, it had to do with the release of pressure through the exit wound. stopbush Nov 2013 #213

You really should go and watch the piece. This was not a regular bullet. It was an Italian one that OregonBlue Nov 2013 #187

The suspicion of multiple shooters does not rest on the magic bullet controversy nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #190

Why don't you watch the show? cpwm17 Nov 2013 #196

How do you obscure an exit wound from a sideways bullet Ace Acme Nov 2013 #223

You've made some seventy comments on this thread concerning a NOVA program cpwm17 Nov 2013 #224

Why should I be afraid of a TV show? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #225

You should watch the show, Abe. zappaman Nov 2013 #227

A show recommended by irrational people is likely to be an irrational show. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #228

"irrational people" zappaman Nov 2013 #229

The kind who think "snork" and smilies makes an argument. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #231

LOL! zappaman Nov 2013 #232

Thanks for proving my point. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #234

You're most welcome, "Ace". zappaman Nov 2013 #235

Ditto here. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #84

That Oswald may have been the only sharpshooter on that day does not mean that he "acted alone." JDPriestly Nov 2013 #112

What was Oswalds motive? Was he perhaps hired by someone? JaneyVee Nov 2013 #5

Quite simple. Archae Nov 2013 #6

Easier than that: Oswald was felt he was a loser and had delusions he wanted to be remembered duffyduff Nov 2013 #56

If that's all there is, then why are the files secret for 75 years? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #62

You realize that a lot of the records being kept secret stopbush Nov 2013 #94

You know what's in the secret files! You must be very well connected! Ace Acme Nov 2013 #96

And BOOM there it is. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #107

The Confirmation Biased think every click is a BOOM. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #110

So confirmation bias applies to everyone? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #115

If every correction is a personal attack, then no correction is permitted. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #118

I did point it out. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #120

I never denied the Zapruder film. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #121

It always amuses me when people talk through their hats, as you are doing now. stopbush Nov 2013 #114

What madness drives anyone to kill another human being, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #8

Oswald was a goofy character CANDO Nov 2013 #15

This explains more than the pure conjecture that he was hired. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #23

Just saw this online Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #10

That's a good catch concerning JFK's arching back cpwm17 Nov 2013 #12

It would be silly to think the CIA could have had a part in this... solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #11

Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower cpwm17 Nov 2013 #14

Great history lesson, but that does not prove anyone other than LHO fired the shots. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #17

Expecting proof before there's been a proper investigation is unreasonable. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #63

Don't tell me. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #66

Haven't seen it. I'm not particularly interested in the Magic Bullet theory. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #67

That's cool. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #69

The documents that will remain classified for another 25 years. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #70

Got a link? Something academic or peer reviewed? I always hear CTers talk about the secret files. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #74

Kudos to you for your wonderful post Samantha Nov 2013 #53

Yes, and scientists led the HSCA to the conclusion of conspiracy in the death of President Kennedy. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #13

That evidence has been more recently been rebuked based on science too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #19

An entry in wikipedia does not rebuke the HSCA findings. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #21

I did not say it did. I said the science did. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #22

There are scientists who disagree with the scientists you quoted. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #24

I am sure you will provide some links to those scientists who disagree with that evidence. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #25

Any scientist can conduct experiments and state their studies are best. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #26

Yes ANY scientist can, but any scientist did not. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #28

This is the original study that Sabato himself bought and paid for - for his own book. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #30

Says you. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #32

The Warren Commission was not privileged to deny science either meanit Nov 2013 #51

Perhaps you could point to the evidence ignored by the WCR. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #52

The flaws of the WCR are well known, such as the Magic Bullet theory for one, meanit Nov 2013 #59

You should fact check yourself before blathering further. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #61

I never mentioned if the HSCA did or didn't agree with the WCR about the single bullet. meanit Nov 2013 #75

So if I understand you correctly... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #77

All that "stands" is that they got it wrong. stopbush Nov 2013 #49

You're grasping at CT straws. stopbush Nov 2013 #31

The HSCA would need to reconvene to issue a statement accepting the rebuke. stopbush Nov 2013 #47

This recent study isn't Wikipedia. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #27

After a decade and a half of investigations into the crime, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #36

And there are scientists who say the world is 3000 years old. So what?? n-t Logical Nov 2013 #44

I think we're supposed to forget that ever happened, like the Saudi pages of the Joint Congressional yurbud Nov 2013 #216

I saw another one of these recently where they had a team in Australia KurtNYC Nov 2013 #34

None of those objects was anything like a human skull traveling a 11-12 mph away from the shooter. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #35

How about about a few more attacks on CTers? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #37

Pot. Kettle. Black. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #38

I am here to laugh HangOnKids Nov 2013 #39

Sure you are. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #41

313 is blurred, the SecSrvc to the left rear of the car were splattered and they KurtNYC Nov 2013 #57

The motorcycle cop was sprayed too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #58

I watched the program cpwm17 Nov 2013 #60

There's no snap forward. Frame 313 is blurred, Zapruder jumped. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #64

Evidence that Zapruder jumped is questionable. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #68

Frame 313 is smeared. You can see the difference between 312 and 313. Check the highlights. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #71

Smear schmear. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #86

You can see the highlights smeared for several inches in 313. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #88

What about that smear? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #91

The smear of the highlights in 313 is not present in the same highlights in 312. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #97

I never said that, nor implied that. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #189

Your Belgian website is anonymous work Ace Acme Nov 2013 #192

Yes, you have pointed that out like five times now. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #198

Someone with the psuedonym "Ace Acme" is knocking anonymous work? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #207

Only a fool would accept my animations at face value. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #208

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #209

Anonymous science is bad science. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #218

You're wrong cpwm17 Nov 2013 #72

Says an anonymous internet poster Ace Acme Nov 2013 #85

I believe my eyes. zappaman Nov 2013 #87

It's not your eyes, it's an animation on the internet. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #89

"it's an animation on the internet." zappaman Nov 2013 #93

Its not an animation. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #90

It's a 2-frame animation that is alleged to be from the Zapruder film. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #100

Good grief. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #102

Not cynicism--rigor. I happen to know how easy it would be to alter the images. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #105

These personal attacks suck. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #113

I never said the Zapruder film was a cartoon. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #127

Sorry, "animation". The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #132

I never said the Zapruder film was an animation. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #133

More personal attacks. What else you got? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #136

More anonymous unauthenticated "evidence" from you. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #137

OK I'll play your game. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #145

Now you change the subject. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #151

Sure, you can take it however you want. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #158

More changing the subject I see. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #160

OK, I am willing to throw that out. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #165

No. I have no interest in the magic bullet. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #168

Or, forensic evidence that indicates there was no magic bullet. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #170

Oh there was no bullet that caused 7 wounds? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #172

Yes, there was a single bullet that caused seven wounds. No magic, only physics. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #186

There's an obvious snap forward Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #92

Do you always rely on anonymous internet posters as expert witnesses? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #101

No, I'm relying on the obvious evidence right before my eyes. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #104

You're relying on the "obvious evidence" of an unauthenticated video sample. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #106

No, I'm not. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #109

Whose stills? Your epistemic incompetence is showing. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #111

Completely irrelevant. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #116

I never said the film was altered. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #125

So add incompetence to stupid, credulous, and irresponsible. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #117

It's incompetent to credulously accept unauthenticated evidence. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #128

Nope, the smear is not "well discussed" in that video William Seger Nov 2013 #184

Kicking for Ace Acme. nt The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #185

What kind of camera was Zapruder using, and how did the shutter work?` Ace Acme Nov 2013 #194

Bell & Howell 414PD William Seger Nov 2013 #206

I'll leave the thinking to people who have real names, "William" Ace Acme Nov 2013 #233

Good idea, Abe. zappaman Nov 2013 #238

It means nothing that the bullet was "badly misshapen" in the Australian test you mention. stopbush Nov 2013 #45

Good point. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #46

Exactly. But don't tell that to the CTists. It might spoil their holiday. stopbush Nov 2013 #48

I'll take a look at it. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #54

Nova Huh? Did they include the core columns this time? Junkdrawer Nov 2013 #73

There were no core columns. Everybody knows that. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #76

This bunny cage experiment may help you understand better... zappaman Nov 2013 #78

Maybe it helps you understand something; I doubt your understanding is true Ace Acme Nov 2013 #98

No, they covered very nicely how the head shot made his head move BACK like it did. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #80

What's really amazing is that the findings of the WCR stand up to advances in science, stopbush Nov 2013 #95

Interesting that you seem unable to distinguish Ace Acme Nov 2013 #99

What else you got besides personal attack? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #103

What makes you think I have a conspiracy theory? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #108

The names of US agents and informants in places like Cuba, for one thing. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #119

Do you think those names were given to the Warren Commission? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #123

Your blatant denial of the forensic evidence suggests you have a conspiracy theory. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #122

It's not a conspiracy to hide evidence from the public for 75 years? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #124

No, it's not. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #129

What is sensitive about the assassination if a lone nut did it? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #130

The names of US agents and informants in Cuba, Russia, et cetera are sensitive, clearly Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #131

Those names were surely redacted before the Commission even got the document. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #134

Independent analysis, for one: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #140

So you're claiming a 1976 study authenticated the Belgian website? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #142

It authenticated the information presented. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #143

I guess you didn't get the memo. Josiah Thompson says he was wrong. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #146

Which doesn't contradict the conclusions of the Itek analysis. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #148

I'm not making any claims. I'm just poking holes in yours. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #153

No, you aren't. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #154

That's an empty claim. Thanks for playing. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #157

Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #173

You seem to have no concept of sourcing your documentation Ace Acme Nov 2013 #177

..... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #182

Verifiable by whom? The website author is anonymous. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #193

Says a 9/11 truther. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #197

So are you changing the subject, or attempting to refute an Ace Acme Nov 2013 #199

Oh Abe... zappaman Nov 2013 #200

Pointing out that your claims to "science" are absurd. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #202

Your false dichotomy is irrational. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #221

Itek isn't anonymous Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #239

You are, and Thompson appears to repudiate Itek. Try providing a Ace Acme Nov 2013 #246

Thompson has no credentials or expertise in forensics or photo analysis. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #248

Thompson is an expert on the assassination with a reputation to uphold. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #250

Which doesn't qualify him as a photographic analyst. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #251

Anonymous web authors have better credentials than Thompson? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #252

More personal attack. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #139

What personal attack? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #144

This one. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #149

That's a question, not an attack. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #155

I have an AA... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #164

What kind of historian would expect us to believe the claimed credentials Ace Acme Nov 2013 #166

So, when I point out your personal attack you consider that a personal attack. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #169

More dodging. What kind of historian would expect us to believe the claimed Ace Acme Nov 2013 #171

And more personal attack. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #174

No, I'm not ignorant. Thanks for asking! Ace Acme Nov 2013 #178

I said I was willing to throw it out twice now. Make this the third. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #180

Ad hominem. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #176

Your persistent inability to distinguish between the Zapruder film itself and a Belgian Ace Acme Nov 2013 #179

Easily verifiable as being images from the Zapruder film. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #183

Easily verified by whom? By confirmation biased zealots? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #191

By anyone with access to the film. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #195

I'll suppose that Josiah Thomson is aware of the Itek Ace Acme Nov 2013 #201

What are Josiah Thompson's credentials? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #203

If you don't know, you don't know much about the JFK hit. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #204

I know, but do you? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #205

He's an expert on the JFK hit. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #210

He's not a forensic scientist. He's not a photographic expert. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #211

Neither is your anonymous Belgian website author. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #219

We're not talking about that anymore. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #240

Why aren't we talking about your inauthenticated anonymous web author anymore? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #241

No, we're talking about Itek because it reaches the exact same conclusions. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #242

Says an anonymous internet poster who cites no authorities. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #243

I provided a citation. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #244

Oh, so you cited a Big Fat Bible we're s'posed to read cover to cover? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #245

... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #247

Nice try at phishing. You must think I'm stupid. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #249

That video actually PROVES he's incompetent at photo analysis William Seger Nov 2013 #217

When did you show why he's wrong? I seem to have missed that part. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #220

In the same post where I said I'm not gonna play your stupid games in GD William Seger Nov 2013 #226

A self-referential re-iterative loop is where you showed why Thompson was wrong? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #230

Thanks for posting the link davidpdx Nov 2013 #147

BTW, Koch Brothers own Nova for the last few years. librechik Nov 2013 #188

Oh, crap. Will no one rid us of these turbulent deceivers. ancianita Nov 2013 #212

Nova is a great show. Please point out how it changed with the Koch sponsorship. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #214

that would take too long to answer. Try this: In principle are you in favor of just one sponsor librechik Nov 2013 #236

Nice try, I love Nova, watch all of them, name your BEST CASE of them changing the content... Logical Nov 2013 #237

Seems to me the Koch's would pimp CT rather than the hard science. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #215

How do you know what the Koch brothers want? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #222

Because they are my uncles and they told me. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #254

kick BootinUp Nov 2013 #256