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tkmorris

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19. Know what I wanna see?

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 05:51 PM

Nov 2013

I want to see one person comment in this thread that doesn't share your opinion, followed by you NOT torching them with a flamethrower.

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Why would anyone care whether a woman has an abortion or not? [View all] boston bean Nov 2013 OP

Playing devil's advocate quinnox Nov 2013 #1

I'm just curious why you wanted to play devils advocate using that reasoning? boston bean Nov 2013 #4

I had to think of a scenario where it would be imperative for women to have babies quinnox Nov 2013 #8

Species come and go leftstreet Nov 2013 #23

touche! quinnox Nov 2013 #28

But species themselves fight for their own survival marshall Nov 2013 #264

Those same people want adultery to be rare marshall Nov 2013 #265

With 7 billion of us packing this planet, it is not only no longer imperative, and Warpy Nov 2013 #119

So, by that logic... dchill Nov 2013 #33

I would say yes, if using that logic quinnox Nov 2013 #43

"it is very complicated." dchill Nov 2013 #55

Agreed! quinnox Nov 2013 #61

. dchill Nov 2013 #73

I would suggest you take care of your own personal decisions Whisp Nov 2013 #44

I agree, it is a weak argument quinnox Nov 2013 #52

yeh, I know. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #60

You don't have to go nearly as far as the end of the world thesquanderer Nov 2013 #123

The position should be it's her body and she is not willing to share it with a parasitic infestation idwiyo Nov 2013 #128

What is a "wanted foetus"? rug Nov 2013 #133

That which will become a baby (human in this case) ufter birth. idwiyo Nov 2013 #136

Is it a parasite? rug Nov 2013 #138

Yes, it is. It can not survive on it's own, it feeds off it's host, it alters it's host to avoid idwiyo Nov 2013 #143

So, viability is your test of when it ceases to be a parasite. rug Nov 2013 #146

It remains a parasite until after it's born. idwiyo Nov 2013 #151

So your test is not viability but placental feeding. rug Nov 2013 #152

Yes I do. idwiyo Nov 2013 #156

Clearly it does not meet the biological criteria for a parasite throughout a pregnacy. rug Nov 2013 #158

Which biological criteria it doesn't meet? idwiyo Nov 2013 #163

Interspecies. rug Nov 2013 #164

"an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) idwiyo Nov 2013 #169

Can you cite an example of parasitism within the same species? rug Nov 2013 #171

parasitic twin idwiyo Nov 2013 #174

Its etiology is in the pregnancy. rug Nov 2013 #177

Deep vein thrombosis, varicouse veins, uterus prolapse, urinary tract infections, idwiyo Nov 2013 #180

Now you're being silly. If they share vital organs or systems, the benefit is life. rug Nov 2013 #181

Parasitic twin is not a simbiont. It's called 'parasitic' for a reason. One example is enough to idwiyo Nov 2013 #183

Some birds lay their eggs in others' nests. Is that it? rug Nov 2013 #188

You made a false statement, I provided evidence that disproved it. One example is enough to do so. idwiyo Nov 2013 #197

Actually, no, you haven't. rug Nov 2013 #202

Yes, I did, with evidence. idwiyo Nov 2013 #204

Saying it twice doe not make it evidence. rug Nov 2013 #206

Please provide some evidence to support your statement, if you disagree. idwiyo Nov 2013 #212

Can't prove a negative. I can't think of a single example of intraspecies parasitism. rug Nov 2013 #213

You made a statement that there exists only interspecific parasitism. Prove it, please. idwiyo Nov 2013 #221

Read the prior post. Produce an example of inraspecies parasitism. rug Nov 2013 #227

Parastic twins, brood parasitism. I am sorry that scientific community disagree with you. idwiyo Nov 2013 #231

You're going around in circles. rug Nov 2013 #232

Those two items are proof of intra-specific parasitism. Meaning you made a false statement. idwiyo Nov 2013 #236

The bird eggs are more analagous to fostering than parasitism. rug Nov 2013 #239

The brood parasitism is a form of parasitism. What it reminds you of is irrelevant. idwiyo Nov 2013 #250

What's so special about birth? MicaelS Nov 2013 #184

It's a foetus until after it was born. It will become an infant after it was born. idwiyo Nov 2013 #189

First, a C-section is a birth REP Nov 2013 #201

A lot of women (and men) started out as an 'unwanted parasitic foetus' as you've hooverville29 Nov 2013 #242

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Can you clarify please? idwiyo Nov 2013 #243

That person is just spewing bagger talking points kydo Nov 2013 #261

Thank you for heads-up. idwiyo Nov 2013 #274

Agree, that shows what right wingers are really about treestar Nov 2013 #168

Er, a woman can't make babies treestar Nov 2013 #167

Sorry, but this is too silly to even entertain. Why even post it? cui bono Nov 2013 #200

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #2

Being for a woman's right to choose and whether or not it's a rare choice Lex Nov 2013 #3

Yes, I've seen a lot of that lately. EOTE Nov 2013 #12

K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #57

Why should we care about birth control then? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #5

Those are choices people make. boston bean Nov 2013 #7

I'm saying that if people practice contraception bolstered by education, abortions will be rare.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #16

Why do you care whether there are 10 or 20 abortions? boston bean Nov 2013 #17

Why do you care if there are 10 instead of 20? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #26

I can see you don't have much more to say on the subject, boston bean Nov 2013 #30

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #36

You've changed to makes "pregnancy" rare? boston bean Nov 2013 #42

Yeah sure.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #47

abortion: safe, legal, accessible. unwanted pregnancies: rare PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #53

Why wouldn't you? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #258

Who said you must care? By any means, use abortion as birth control, why the hell not? idwiyo Nov 2013 #129

It's a matter of smart choices passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #154

Women don't want to have an abortion...that's why. Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #278

I didn't want to have hernia surgery. boston bean Nov 2013 #279

Because it's a sad outcome LittleBlue Nov 2013 #6

What makes it so sad to you? boston bean Nov 2013 #9

I've never had one LittleBlue Nov 2013 #18

Shit I was relieved as hell when I had mine. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #24

Christ LittleBlue Nov 2013 #35

Anecdotes are nice; everyone as one. I have peer-reviewed studies to share. REP Nov 2013 #80

Well gee LittleBlue Nov 2013 #94

"Fewer" REP Nov 2013 #101

Don't you think that measure is a bit elitist? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #107

No, because that's not how it works REP Nov 2013 #150

nice post fishwax Nov 2013 #175

Thanks :-) REP Nov 2013 #223

I know and a woman that doesn't want a baby shouldn't make her own choices? boston bean Nov 2013 #27

And you don't think you do the same based on your personal perspective? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #32

Some women do. I'm not denying that, but it's not a reason to limit other womens choices. boston bean Nov 2013 #34

That's how you would answer her? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #45

I would of course sympathize for a friend, even if I disagreed. boston bean Nov 2013 #51

Well, this is why I asked you specifically ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #67

Saying they want it to be rare, because they think other women might feel badly... boston bean Nov 2013 #76

See my post #80: studies find abortion does not effect well-being REP Nov 2013 #105

Who said that? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #38

A lot people have medical procedures that are unplesant Lex Nov 2013 #31

And neither do I. nt LittleBlue Nov 2013 #41

i had surgery for a incarcerated femoral hernia. boston bean Nov 2013 #267

i've never had one either, but DesertFlower Nov 2013 #108

FFS, not that shit again. No, it's not sad, traumatising, or horrible. That's a load of bullshit. idwiyo Nov 2013 #135

is it possible passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #159

+100000 Tien1985 Nov 2013 #270

There is no "expulsion of the fetus" with an aspiration curretage REP Nov 2013 #282

i know plenty of people who have had abortions without experiencing sorrow La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #59

that has also been my experience. boston bean Nov 2013 #65

i think when people say, it is sad, they mean "the women should be sad" La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #68

True it is shaming. boston bean Nov 2013 #91

+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #139

+2 idwiyo Nov 2013 #173

me, too. most felt great relief (myself included) PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #70

exactly. i can think of about 10 women i knew in college La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #71

I don't believe that. newcriminal Nov 2013 #86

oh, bullshit PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

you forgot sorrrow newcriminal Nov 2013 #95

you're post is full of shit PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #100

Your opinion, just like my opinion of the previous post. newcriminal Nov 2013 #104

nope, it's a fact. it's based on nothing but the view you have whilst your head is up your ass PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #109

It is obvious by your responses, who is the one with something up their ass. newcriminal Nov 2013 #114

How do you think a woman would feel if she is forced to be an incubator? cui bono Nov 2013 #132

Which is exactly my point. newcriminal Nov 2013 #148

I wasn't intending to agree with you or trying to make your point, cui bono Nov 2013 #193

I know you weren't agreeing with me. newcriminal Nov 2013 #217

I can tell you how this woman felt: REP Nov 2013 #195

If you are telling me you felt no sorrow after having an abortion newcriminal Nov 2013 #208

Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. None. No regret, sorrow, sadness - nothing but overwhelming relief REP Nov 2013 #215

If you felt "No regret, sorrow, sadness - nothing but overwhelming relief" newcriminal Nov 2013 #234

It's not a qualification; it's just a fact. REP Nov 2013 #237

Then believe science. REP Nov 2013 #192

I read this the first time you posted it. newcriminal Nov 2013 #207

did you miss the "do not experience regret... " part? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #214

Seems to have missed the majority of the studies' content ... REP Nov 2013 #222

"It"? There's more than one study; none of them say what you'd like them to REP Nov 2013 #220

How about me? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #276

i meant to write this to you but accidentally posted it as a thread La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #75

Several of my friends have had abortions and felt nothing but relief. smokey nj Nov 2013 #83

We over glamorise child birth... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #110

I knew a young girl PumpkinAle Nov 2013 #126

the frequency is a medical matter, not a political one PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #10

+1 boston bean Nov 2013 #14

It is not just reducing unwanted pregnancies. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #165

A linguistic trick of affirming the right to abortion while simultaneously devaluing it.... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #166

Saying it is a linguistic trick doesn't make it one. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #170

Really??!?! Go read the link which explains why I think that. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #172

Saying it in 6 paragraphs doesn't make it so. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #176

got it. yet you feel the need to keep using the BS 'rare' mantra without having adult conversations PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #178

No. But when I try to have adult conversations Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #179

Thanks gawd pro-choicers outnumber forced-birthers on DU. I can just imagine "adult" conversations idwiyo Nov 2013 #185

Can you read? newcriminal Nov 2013 #196

Ms Toad is "pro-life". That is by definition anti-choice, or forced-birther. idwiyo Nov 2013 #224

How many forced-birthers do you see on DU? You should report it. rug Nov 2013 #198

Any person who is anti-abortion or wants to restrict abortions is a forced-birther by definition. idwiyo Nov 2013 #203

I take it you believe there should be no restriction abortion until the moment of birth. rug Nov 2013 #205

I think that there should be no restrictions. Absolutely. Woman and doctors can be trusted. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #210

Do you have a link to that? rug Nov 2013 #216

Here you go PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #218

Thanks. rug Nov 2013 #219

You keep saying you don't join these discussions. JTFrog Nov 2013 #228

Reading comprehension is a really useful skill. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Nov 2013 #259

+1 newcriminal Nov 2013 #182

It's not really about "saving babies." LumosMaxima Nov 2013 #11

No one should care. hamsterjill Nov 2013 #13

Whenever the abortion conversation comes up, I mentally replace the word LanternWaste Nov 2013 #15

+1. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #25

Know what I wanna see? tkmorris Nov 2013 #19

Really? I'm discussing. That is your categorization of how you read my comments. boston bean Nov 2013 #29

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Nov 2013 #39

Disgusting. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #63

Who knows? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #20

The problem with "rare" gollygee Nov 2013 #21

That is the real issue. boston bean Nov 2013 #22

Isn't it ok to work toward reducing unwanted pregnancies. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #37

It's an invasive medical procedure. It carries risk. MADem Nov 2013 #40

Abortion is medical care for many women. boston bean Nov 2013 #46

I'm not saying there will or will not always be a need, and I'm not going to MADem Nov 2013 #72

So you can see the issue with the framing. I assume so because you do not want to quantify "rare". boston bean Nov 2013 #74

You brought the word up--so I should think you should define it. MADem Nov 2013 #81

LOL. You are the one that wants to use it. You quantify it. boston bean Nov 2013 #82

No, I don't think so, and anyone reading this thread can see who first used the term. nt MADem Nov 2013 #85

LOL. Anyone reading will know that the person wanting to use the term boston bean Nov 2013 #87

I invite your attention to the first sentence in your OP message text. MADem Nov 2013 #90

I invite you to comprehend the post. I don't think it can be quantified. boston bean Nov 2013 #102

If "rare" can't be quantified, then why are you demanding that I do that? MADem Nov 2013 #280

in context. the OP is arguing AGAINST ITS USE. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #88

I'm not "arguing for" anything but good medical care that will obviate the need for MADem Nov 2013 #93

Then say that. boston bean Nov 2013 #103

Well, I have, repeatedly, and many times down the years, too, and if you weren't MADem Nov 2013 #112

You were contending that the use of "rare" meant that. boston bean Nov 2013 #113

Meant what? Rare means rare? You introduced the word. MADem Nov 2013 #251

Every woman who could have an abortion otherwise has to go through pregnancy and birth gollygee Nov 2013 #48

No--not necessarily--and that's none of my business, anyway. MADem Nov 2013 #58

yes NO ONE says this about other medical procedures La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #62

I do--look at angioplasty. There's a lot of argument about that as a procedure. MADem Nov 2013 #78

there is something terribly dishonest about saying that a procedure La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #79

Your use of the word "dishonest" is both loaded and offensive. It's also uncivil. MADem Nov 2013 #84

WRONG! There's pubic relations campaigns against wiping out cancer & getting vaccinated>>> KittyWampus Nov 2013 #147

wipe out CANCER not cancer treatment. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #240

By saying they would like it to be rare covers every one of the things you mention. I just appleannie1 Nov 2013 #49

Medieval chastity belt and the original witch hunt fixation. Current day Republican values. libdem4life Nov 2013 #50

For the sake of argument One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #54

Hahahaha!!!! Please find me one, ONE, case where a woman had an abortion Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #162

Theoretical Construct One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #288

Do you realize how offensive and misogynistic this post is? smokey nj Nov 2013 #209

An example of absurdity One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #285

ever hear of Canada? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #286

Where do Dr. Ethics come from? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #289

Bullshit. It is offensive, misogynistic, unnecessary and dangerous. smokey nj Nov 2013 #287

Sorry you feel that way One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #290

That view caused the death of Dr. George Tiller. smokey nj Nov 2013 #291

Equating my view to Dr. Tiller's killer? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #293

Your "theoretical" argument is a bullet point for anti-choicers. smokey nj Nov 2013 #294

Breaking the Echo Chamber One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #295

Same reason I'd like to see broken arms more rare wercal Nov 2013 #56

Because they believe that life begins a conception, but you already knew that lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #64

Because the TeaPublicans use it as a wedge issue to rally the religious right wing to vote for them. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #66

Politics progressoid Nov 2013 #69

I don't wish the trauma of an unplanned pregnancy or having no other choice than abortion on anyone. moriah Nov 2013 #77

Take your own advice Union Scribe Nov 2013 #92

So, you don't think that trying to make women feel bad about abortion is not an attempt to limit it? boston bean Nov 2013 #97

simply stating on a message board what one feels Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #130

Nice. Such a pleasure to have conversations with people who employ personal attacks. boston bean Nov 2013 #144

it is not a.personal attack Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #149

Just the other day I got a request for a phone survey from some wingnut organization Major Nikon Nov 2013 #96

like it or not people are entitled to beachbum bob Nov 2013 #98

No one is forcing one to like abortion. boston bean Nov 2013 #106

The people who are sincerely against abortion FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #99

To be fair, the debate over exactly when a fetus/infant gains the protection of the law Maedhros Nov 2013 #116

Agreed FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #117

The logic fails when you realize that every single pregnancy carries risk ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #140

Yes, but these folks don't value the mother's life as much as the new soul's FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #248

So true ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #275

some opponents are assholes alc Nov 2013 #111

We are talking about people who contend they are pro choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #115

I don't understand your problem with it being "rare" SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #190

Saying it should be rare legitimizes efforts to restrict access to abortion. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #191

because I'm insecure d*mmit! Lithos Nov 2013 #118

*shrug* Deep13 Nov 2013 #120

It's so simple Mira Nov 2013 #121

I had a 3 year old when I had a ectopic at 5 weeks HockeyMom Nov 2013 #127

A term that I despise, which is used by both pro-and anti-choice Ineeda Nov 2013 #122

That one drives me up a wall too. smokey nj Nov 2013 #124

some people honestly consider it murder functioning_cog Nov 2013 #125

Regardless of why a woman has gotten pregnant, it's up to her to determine her own future. cui bono Nov 2013 #131

Male birth control pills are the key IMO. karadax Nov 2013 #134

Because they view it as killing a baby oberliner Nov 2013 #137

Letting a woman run around with an unholstered uterus? Orsino Nov 2013 #141

Because some people really, really, really like to tell other people what to do. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #142

It is none of my concern CFLDem Nov 2013 #145

I want to see it become rare because AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #153

In all honesty a part of me is against abortion, but my Lobo27 Nov 2013 #155

Any child could be the next Einstein or Tesla gollygee Nov 2013 #157

Very true!!! Lobo27 Nov 2013 #161

Actually, everyone is a genius. Glassunion Nov 2013 #246

I've never understood why people care about abortion or same sex marriage. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #160

I've had three woman come to me while making this decision. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #186

For a lot of religious men, it is an issue of them being able to control women in all ways. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #187

It's not about abortion. It's about naughty ladies not being punished with childbirth. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #194

Well, in my fantasy world, MH1 Nov 2013 #199

I don't believe the "care" is genuine... fadedrose Nov 2013 #211

Amen.... Little Star Nov 2013 #244

people who like controlling other people care. decent human beings, not so much. dionysus Nov 2013 #225

The same people fighting to stop abortion are against caring for people liberal N proud Nov 2013 #226

Because to those who believe that life begins at conception, abortion is murder. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #229

That is a delightful typo REP Nov 2013 #235

Ouch, thanks. Awful but kind of funny typo. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #238

Same reason They care if I sleep with a man or not. William769 Nov 2013 #230

I always feel that people whom worry about such things Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #233

Honestly, doesnt this also apply when pro-choicers brow-beat other pro-choicers for not using the... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #257

Reading through this thread it is obvious it is not just about a phrase. boston bean Nov 2013 #272

THIS divisive crap again??? Stop implying that some of us kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #245

And your post was?? boston bean Nov 2013 #247

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #256

wtf ??? nt bananas Nov 2013 #263

Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT. bananas Nov 2013 #266

How he framed the linked post was offensive. Good hide as far as I'm concerned. boston bean Nov 2013 #268

You "won", what the hell do you care. bananas Nov 2013 #269

huh, I didn't alert, I didn't serve on any jury. boston bean Nov 2013 #273

I'll tell you why. Glassunion Nov 2013 #249

this is a highly nuanced topic Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #252

I can't even read all the replies to this thread - many are disgusting MadrasT Nov 2013 #253

And more immediately after you post. JTFrog Nov 2013 #260

Because some people see the loss of life as a regrettable but feel the woman's autonomy is paramount LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #254

Maybe its everyone's business NoOneMan Nov 2013 #255

Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT. bananas Nov 2013 #262

Ask the Francis fans. DU is not strongly Pro Choice because DU is a promtional center for Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #271

OK, sounds like a wise plan, I'm in. Zorra Nov 2013 #277

When you see a story about someone who had their 16th child, lots of DUers seem to care. n/t hughee99 Nov 2013 #281

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #283

Oh please! hrmjustin Nov 2013 #284

Thank you! ellie Nov 2013 #292