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Xithras

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52. Remember, the ACA was written by INSURANCE EXECUTIVES, not the Democratic Party
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:44 AM
Oct 2013

The primary author of the ACA was Liz Fowler, a longtime lobbyist, former VP with Wellpoint (a large HMO), and who is now an exec in the pharmaceutical wing of Johnson & Johnson.

The ACA was designed to accomplish one single goal...to get everyone insured while guaranteeing profits for the insurance companies. In EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE where the bill had to make the choice between "patient care" and "insurance company profits", the patients lost.

The ACA really is the best of all worlds for the insurance companies. They get to jack up the rates for the people who don't qualify for subsidies (increasing their profits), they get the government to pay the increased rates for people who DO qualify for subsidies and didn't previously have insurance (increasing their profits), and they get to apply sky-high copays and coinsurance limits to the coverage, discouraging anyone who doesn't have a small fortune in the bank from actually USING the insurance they're paying for (increasing their profits).

I've never understood the dogged defense of the ACA by Democrats. It's a bill designed to transfer government wealth to the investor class by offering NOMINAL amounts of overpriced insurance to people who can't afford to use it anyway. It's a farce masquerading as a fix.

i put insurance companies in the same categories as banks: datasuspect Oct 2013 #1
And have peace of mind that you aren't on the hook for all costs boston bean Oct 2013 #2
bankruptcies cost 1000 datasuspect Oct 2013 #10
Medical costs can be that tipping point. mwooldri Oct 2013 #27
But now we're mandated to contribute to their lobbying funds. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #9
Here is an unbiased opinion from a health insurance broker(me) fitman Oct 2013 #29
When the government PATRICK Oct 2013 #3
Show us your bank account, tax returns, otherwise your post is bunk Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #4
It gets me in the door. And that is a start. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #5
But some others are being shown the door. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #11
You are misunderstanding me. My other thread sank but... 204/115 is my typical ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #12
i really hope it all works out for you datasuspect Oct 2013 #13
Thank you data. I've gone from "getting my affairs in order" ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #15
Keep fighting the good fight. Win, lose or draw it reveals courage and faith. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #64
I'm not begrudging you in the least Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #14
yeah ur right MFM008 Oct 2013 #53
I don't disagree alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #6
the ACA as presently configured is of no use to me. KG Oct 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2013 #30
its feeling more and more like the "modernization" of pensions to 401Ks did.... tillikum Oct 2013 #8
This is not unique to ACA Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #16
i understand and you are correct, but now one is mandated to buy it. boston bean Oct 2013 #17
I think everyone knows the ACA's not "optimal" Lex Oct 2013 #21
This has been the law of the land in my state for 7(ish?) years now Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #22
I don't mind the law, I mind the plan. boston bean Oct 2013 #24
That's the price of bringing the "uninsurable" on board, extending maternity and... Barack_America Oct 2013 #18
No kidding. Public option is by far the better choice - TBF Oct 2013 #19
I agree single payer is needed, but .... moriah Oct 2013 #20
It's the lab costs. Hundred out of pocket for each.... boston bean Oct 2013 #23
Now, those were covered under preventative for me. moriah Oct 2013 #25
I have been researching this and the plans that popped up on my account ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #26
Lab costs are heavily inflated. mwooldri Oct 2013 #31
No doubt they're inflated. moriah Oct 2013 #36
http://www.directlabs.com/ lunasun Oct 2013 #82
That's paying for privacy and skipping the doctor altogether. mwooldri Oct 2013 #84
Your post excellently highlights how complicated the insurance issue can be. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #35
Obamacare: is a $2,000 deductible "affordable"? antigop Oct 2013 #28
Not to many, BUT Rstrstx Oct 2013 #75
did you read the article AND my post? Max out of pocket $6400 for individual. antigop Oct 2013 #81
They need to scrap the individual mandate. Without the ability to walk away the consumer cannot... JVS Oct 2013 #32
Sorry, adverse selection would destroy access to medical care. jeff47 Oct 2013 #44
The mandate needs to go because without the ability to say no, there is no cost control. JVS Oct 2013 #46
Again, no mandate means no cost sharing, which means no insurance for anyone. jeff47 Oct 2013 #47
They shouldn't have created a mandate until they got costs in line. JVS Oct 2013 #48
Once again, no mandate means that can not happen. jeff47 Oct 2013 #54
Bullshit. And I don't care what happens to the health insurance companies. They're the problem. JVS Oct 2013 #55
Not bullshit. Reality jeff47 Oct 2013 #57
this isn't about access to medical care datasuspect Oct 2013 #63
And that purchase provides access to medical care. jeff47 Oct 2013 #66
from what i've been able to gather datasuspect Oct 2013 #68
That's because a lot of the people complaining about deductibles jeff47 Oct 2013 #71
lol garbage. I am mandated to pay taxes. grantcart Oct 2013 #33
Very good for you. That is not how it will work for many people. boston bean Oct 2013 #38
You just have a peachy deal enlightenment Oct 2013 #56
Everyone who has my income gets a 'peachy deal grantcart Oct 2013 #61
I think you're wrong about the numbers. enlightenment Oct 2013 #69
AZ grantcart Oct 2013 #73
I was responding to your last post, not the one prior to that. enlightenment Oct 2013 #76
^^^this^^^ malokvale77 Oct 2013 #85
yes,we need single payer & deductibles stink. actual medical costs/rx drugs are still to high. Sunlei Oct 2013 #34
Not really. It just means that insurers and hospitals get their money and you don't make a mess. JVS Oct 2013 #50
people will use their wellness exams. insurance companies & hospitals will price gouge each other. Sunlei Oct 2013 #70
My company offers ONLY high-deductible.. sendero Oct 2013 #37
Well, I agree with you in some ways. boston bean Oct 2013 #39
"stop making everything a blank check to the consumer" NoOneMan Oct 2013 #41
With single payer... sendero Oct 2013 #42
Sorry, but it's actually illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices. jeff47 Oct 2013 #45
Well.. sendero Oct 2013 #58
Apparently you don't work in the accounting part of the industry. jeff47 Oct 2013 #59
He's likely referring to the prescription plan, which is barred from negotiating or dictating. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #89
There's not that many medical procedures that are ~fun~ to have done Fumesucker Oct 2013 #87
Well... sendero Oct 2013 #93
Odd how they don't have that problem in Canada Fumesucker Oct 2013 #94
You don't really know WHAT they.. sendero Oct 2013 #96
Oh yes, anyone in America can ~demand~ a CAT scan and get it immediately.. Fumesucker Oct 2013 #98
Health care is not a discretionary consumer purchase. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #88
On its face.. sendero Oct 2013 #95
Even the plural of anecdote does not mean data Fumesucker Oct 2013 #97
The purpose of deductibles and copays is to make poor people stay home NoOneMan Oct 2013 #40
Copays and deductibles.. sendero Oct 2013 #43
They should certainly not exist in an egalitarian system NoOneMan Oct 2013 #49
That's how the American system works. Those on the bottom support and Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #65
Bingo! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #51
Medicare for all is catchy and familiar branding but I'm not sure it should be a goal TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #60
Remember, the ACA was written by INSURANCE EXECUTIVES, not the Democratic Party Xithras Oct 2013 #52
i honestly didn't want to believe this is the case datasuspect Oct 2013 #62
+1 historylovr Oct 2013 #79
Senator Max Baucus Received More Campaign Money from Insurance Industry...(Democracy Now) solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #86
Not accurate ProSense Oct 2013 #67
agreed - we really need a single payer system 0rganism Oct 2013 #72
I'd love to see some standardization with ACA posts, discussing rates wercal Oct 2013 #74
"Medical Bankruptcy" is a term that is virtually UNKNOWN in civilized countries, bvar22 Oct 2013 #77
A large fraction of medical bankruptcies today... BlueCheese Oct 2013 #92
K & R historylovr Oct 2013 #80
I don't see where it can be much better short of single payer. tapermaker Oct 2013 #83
+1 Matariki Oct 2013 #90
You don't get hosed by ACA munster69 Oct 2013 #91
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