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joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
28. Then that's surely your employer screwing you and not health care reform?
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:20 AM
Mar 2012

I don't understand how you cannot opt out of your employer plan unless you do not believe it is in your interests to wait for the 1 year exclusionary self-insured plan, which I can absolutely understand, and that needs to be fixed. I believe the exclusionary period shrinks as more of the reforms come online but I'm not sure on that count.

I'm trying to find information about this because you say it's what your employer offers, yet no insurer can deny you coverage on their group plans (large group), they can only exclude you for a set period of time (no more than 1 year). All I'm finding about this is Heritage Foundation crap bitching about a government takeover of insurers, to be honest.

I found this comprehensive report about declining employee-sponsored health coverage. Their conclusions are startling:

Employer-sponsored health insurance is increasingly failing American families. If the coverage rate had not fallen 10.6 percentage points as it did from 2000 to 2010, as many as 28 million more people under age 65 would have had ESI in 2010. Public insurance, primarily in the form of Medicaid and CHIP, has been working to counteract this trend. However, many Americans, particularly those of working age, are falling through the cracks.

In the future, elements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—particularly the provisions establishing health insurance exchanges and the accompanying subsidies, which will come into effect in 2014—will make it easier and more affordable for Americans to secure and maintain health insurance coverage. However, the continued weak labor market will likely lead to further losses in employer-sponsored insurance coverage before major relief from health reform is realized.
How about "so what? you have to buy car insurance too" saras Mar 2012 #1
Car insurance and health insurance are completely different Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #6
Those are differences, but not major to me, let alone "complete" saras Mar 2012 #43
I can avoid driving a car to avoid paying insurance. This forced-purchase law is bullshit. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9
You pay into Medicare don't you? joshcryer Mar 2012 #15
The fines are merely to make sure that you pay into the private health insurance system. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #17
Of course. The money will be redistributed to HHS though. joshcryer Mar 2012 #21
Bullshit. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #24
What is bullshit? If I wanted an HSA it'd be $150 a month. joshcryer Mar 2012 #26
I live in San Francisco. I don't qualify for an exchange because my employer offers Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #27
Then that's surely your employer screwing you and not health care reform? joshcryer Mar 2012 #28
When I say I can't decline group I don't mean that I don't have that option... Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #29
That's fair enough, as I said. The exclusionary period needs to be ended. joshcryer Mar 2012 #30
If we start off with a system that the employer pays 6%-7.5% into the system PLUS Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #33
Hence why I prefer MEDICARE FOR ALL over RomneyCare 2.0 Zalatix Mar 2012 #18
Of course, so do I. joshcryer Mar 2012 #20
No they're not. They're giveaways to corporations. Zalatix Mar 2012 #45
I do to, but I also support what Obama did over the previous status quo. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #25
Yes. I like paying into GOVERNMENT programs for the common good eridani Mar 2012 #32
+1 area51 Mar 2012 #16
STATES force you to buy car insurance, and THEY have that right. We don't have a NATIONAL govt... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #44
If you can whittle that down to bumper sticker size DearAbby Mar 2012 #2
Sad, but true. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #3
If they already have health insurance through their job, nothing will change MiniMe Mar 2012 #4
It amazes me, overheard on fr waiting room right after passage of bill Thinkingabout Mar 2012 #5
So essentially you are saying that this old Republican idea is a good one. MadHound Mar 2012 #7
*crickets* Zalatix Mar 2012 #10
Exactly what I was thinking. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #11
+1 Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #12
So essentially you are saying near universial coverage sucks if it's not perfect. joshcryer Mar 2012 #14
Yes. Its not the best idea, but its a decent idea. phleshdef Mar 2012 #19
I'd bet that we get a public option before the exchanges go up in 2014. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22
I wouldn't take that bet unless the time window was much wider, say, 10 or 15 years. Selatius Mar 2012 #31
What the HELL are you talking about LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #34
Republicans of that day were far more liberal than today's Republicans treestar Mar 2012 #61
Even if you have insurance you can be denied care.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #8
Increased penalties can be added later Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #13
Would we be better off without the ACA? LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #57
Absolutely not Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #59
It will hardly be enforced, the IRS doesn't think it's worth it: joshcryer Mar 2012 #23
A lot of people are self employed because there are few jobs.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #35
Basically true. sendero Mar 2012 #36
Nobody is forced to buy health insurance under the ACA LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #38
Some would say.. sendero Mar 2012 #48
It's not semantics LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #49
No.. sendero Mar 2012 #60
I tell them if they don't buy it and get hit by a truck, taxpayers are stuck with the bill. Vinca Mar 2012 #37
Your description is somewhat misleading. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #39
Not in the real world LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #41
but they will dun you, ruin your credit, etc mike_c Mar 2012 #42
The ACA helps people LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #52
Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm absolutely not defending the present system. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #46
When you argue for repeal of the ACA, you argue for the status quo LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #51
And you just continue to put words in my mouth Jim Lane Mar 2012 #55
ive heard good arguments against mandates Enrique Mar 2012 #40
... Fumesucker Mar 2012 #47
Nobody thinks ACA is perfect, least of all Obama LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #50
"It's so you don't become one of those welfare queens you hate so much" krispos42 Mar 2012 #53
Of course it forces people to buy health insurance from the private market. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #54
Nope LuckyTheDog Mar 2012 #56
You are arguing that the mandate is a tax. It is not. former9thward Mar 2012 #58
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