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112. They share the same privacy concerns. Was that a reach too far?

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Fri Sep 13, 2013, 02:25 PM

Sep 2013

Sorry, I'll try to break it down more next time.

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Chicago abolishes gun registry in place since 1968 [View all] GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 OP

Just what Chicago needs, more untraceable guns mwrguy Sep 2013 #1

Did the registery solve any crimes? GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #2

Taxpayers Shoulder Bulk Of Gun Violence Costs, Study Finds otohara Sep 2013 #3

Do you think the registry ever stopped a crime? Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #4

Nazi officer in 1963? B Calm Sep 2013 #5

The registry existed in the 90's too Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #6

How would crime statistics show the number of crimes stopped/solved by a registry? DanTex Sep 2013 #7

If more gun laws than other areas stops crime, Chicago should have less gun crime Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #9

In other words, they don't. DanTex Sep 2013 #10

Ok, compare Chicago with the closest comparable sized cities Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #12

OK, go look up homicide stats for St Louis, New Orleans, and Detroit, and get back to me. DanTex Sep 2013 #15

And on the other hand we have the ACLU opposing gun registration due to privacy concerns. hack89 Sep 2013 #17

Ever since the ACLU sided with Scalia over Citizens United, their credibility has taken a real hit. DanTex Sep 2013 #19

They opposed a national gun registry. hack89 Sep 2013 #25

In other words, you are making things up again. Gee, what a shock! DanTex Sep 2013 #27

So the ACLU would oppose a national registry on principle hack89 Sep 2013 #30

I figure if the ACLU were against this they would, uhh, say so. DanTex Sep 2013 #42

And your love for all things police and authority is telling hack89 Sep 2013 #48

Once again, desperate and loony fabrications... DanTex Sep 2013 #56

I can understand your frustration - it has been a bad week all around. hack89 Sep 2013 #58

LOL. Fiirst you fail at logic. Then try lying, but get called. So now the gloating. DanTex Sep 2013 #60

I am just sitting back waiting for the "backlash" hack89 Sep 2013 #63

Still here I see! I guess I should have known better than to take you at your word... DanTex Sep 2013 #65

You are trying too hard to make this personal hack89 Sep 2013 #70

LOL. Just can't quit me! DanTex Sep 2013 #73

Psst.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #51

LOL. We're talking about Chicago here, in case you missed that part. DanTex Sep 2013 #54

Did you miss your post that I replied to? X_Digger Sep 2013 #108

"this" = Chicago gun registry. Sorry. Thanks for playing. DanTex Sep 2013 #109

And you think the state version of the same would be A-OK to them? LOL!! X_Digger Sep 2013 #110

They've had 45 years to object to Chicago's law if they wanted. I'm not a mind-reader like you... DanTex Sep 2013 #111

They share the same privacy concerns. Was that a reach too far? X_Digger Sep 2013 #112

Privacy concerns about a national gun registry run by the federal government. DanTex Sep 2013 #113

What indication has the ACLU ever made that they are okay with state controls that they oppose.. X_Digger Sep 2013 #114

LOL. Sorry, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Nice try though. DanTex Sep 2013 #115

I demonstrated that the ACLU had privacy concerns with Reid's national bill. X_Digger Sep 2013 #116

And I'm sure you had a lot of fun doing it. Too bad that wasn't the question. DanTex Sep 2013 #117

My extrapolation is based on their position on similar issues, presented elsewhere. X_Digger Sep 2013 #118

If the ACLU were against this, they would say so. Since they didn't, we don't know DanTex Sep 2013 #119

I see you had a chat with each other and split the difference. ;) n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #120

LOL. hack and I go way back! DanTex Sep 2013 #121

St Louis, Detroit and New Orleans? Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #21

So no credible expert against gun registries, I take it? Didn't think so. DanTex Sep 2013 #24

Too bad you didn't check out how Dallas does things derby378 Sep 2013 #146

Hmm... Dallas has almost twice the homicide rate of NYC, a much larger and denser city. DanTex Sep 2013 #150

No stats? That's okay... derby378 Sep 2013 #152

I thought you could figure this one out on your own. My mistake. DanTex Sep 2013 #154

Okay, let's use those stats... derby378 Sep 2013 #155

Exactly. Despite having a similar assault rate, NYC has a much lower homicide rate. DanTex Sep 2013 #156

Now all you have to do... derby378 Sep 2013 #157

Most homicides in the US are committed by gun, particularly in high-gun states like Texas. DanTex Sep 2013 #158

I live in ST. Louis, Dan. pintobean Sep 2013 #78

I'm glad you live in a safe neighborhood. Others aren't so lucky. DanTex Sep 2013 #80

I don't believe pintobean Sep 2013 #87

So now a gun registry is "punishment". DanTex Sep 2013 #90

I guess you've forgotten about The News Journal gun map pintobean Sep 2013 #97

So we're agreed that gun registries are good so long as personal info isn't released. DanTex Sep 2013 #102

It can very well be, along with permits to own or purchase Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #160

It's outlandish hyperbole to call any of that "punishment". DanTex Sep 2013 #161

I don't know. Will this increase the number of guns? Of untraceable guns? Recursion Sep 2013 #23

A big victory for fans of homicide. DanTex Sep 2013 #8

NSA databases bad. Chicago police databases good. hack89 Sep 2013 #18

Yeah, not all databases are the same. I know this is difficult to comprehend. Try harder. DanTex Sep 2013 #20

So you trust the Chicago cops to respect your civil rights? Really? hack89 Sep 2013 #22

Have there been any rights violations associated with the gun registry? DanTex Sep 2013 #29

So the Chicago cops cannot be trusted with anything except the gun registry? hack89 Sep 2013 #31

So that's a no. DanTex Sep 2013 #40

Your police worship is a little too much, don't you think? hack89 Sep 2013 #43

My police worship? Whaaa? You're losing it, buddy. DanTex Sep 2013 #45

Are you denying that the Chicago PD has a long history of systemic civil rights violations? hack89 Sep 2013 #49

I'm denying that it matters when it comes to a gun registry. DanTex Sep 2013 #52

Not a big deal anyway. hack89 Sep 2013 #55

I wonder what motivates such intense dislike of people who live in cities? DanTex Sep 2013 #59

I want urban dwellers to have exactly the same rights I do hack89 Sep 2013 #61

Wait, I thought you were leaving? You said so twice! DanTex Sep 2013 #64

But you are such a compelling personality - it just draws me back. hack89 Sep 2013 #68

Do you trust the Chicago police to respect civil rights? Simple question. hack89 Sep 2013 #44

I have no problem with them having a gun registry, which is the issue at hand. DanTex Sep 2013 #47

No doubt Chicago paid for their hubris. hack89 Sep 2013 #53

Chicago paid for the ignorance and hatred of people who don't live there. DanTex Sep 2013 #62

Time will tell hack89 Sep 2013 #66

Well, I found this posted on DU years ago Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #74

One gungeon post from ten years ago, to a website that doesn't exist anymore. DanTex Sep 2013 #76

This OP is disgusting SecularMotion Sep 2013 #11

Part of it is disdain for urban people on the part of rural conservatives. DanTex Sep 2013 #13

More safe? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #28

Not just rural conservatives, rural Dems, and for reason Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #32

Nothing like good ol' hatred and revenge. DanTex Sep 2013 #41

Not what I said at all Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #46

The pattern that the US has 10x more gun violence than other wealthy nations? DanTex Sep 2013 #50

The pattern of chicken littles Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #57

Actually, the sky is falling... DanTex Sep 2013 #72

So if someone is murdered with a knife or club, they aren't as dead? N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #122

'Rural Dem's' are very much 'Dem's', but they are RURAL. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #104

This thread is about the Chicago gun registry, not CCW. DanTex Sep 2013 #106

I understood that, but was trying to give some 'context' to the complexities of Illinois' Dem family ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #128

Actually, Jenoch Sep 2013 #137

How Did Dems Come to Hate otohara Sep 2013 #140

May I? derby378 Sep 2013 #149

Detriment otohara Sep 2013 #159

I've noticed that as well with similar threads on other cities Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #93

Kind of like people who don't even living in Colorado rl6214 Sep 2013 #129

Not every gun owner is on the right or in the NRA Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #14

+1 Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #35

I agree. It's disgusting. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #37

Liberals and Progressives ? Limousine liberals you mean warrant46 Sep 2013 #132

So you would rather cheer and support Bloomberg? oneshooter Sep 2013 #141

It gets even better hack89 Sep 2013 #16

I carry my gun every time I visit Chicago. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #26

It's a big scary city, huh? I live here and have never felt the need to arm myself. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #34

Do you have insurance? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #38

Certainly I have insurance. But I don't parade it around or hope for an excuse to use it. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #94

Heavens no. Who hopes for a crash? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #95

I never carry a gun when I visit Chicago. I have been in some of the worst IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #39

I have needed a gun numerous times. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #69

You are involved in law enforcement. I can understand why you carry a gun. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #88

Make sure you respond on posts about when cops beat up suspects for no reason..... Logical Sep 2013 #130

Pretty dumb to assume I would defend them. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #134

We will see. Maybe we can get an arbitrator involved. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #135

well then you are the lucky one who wasn't attacked and raped. lucky you. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #99

Can you GUARANTEE to someone else that they will have your good luck? GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #123

Good grief. More paranoid fantasies. marmar Sep 2013 #83

Baaaaaa. The police will protect me. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #85

Chicago can be a very violent place warrant46 Sep 2013 #133

Criminals don't register guns fletchthedubs Sep 2013 #33

Everywhere there are lax gun laws, there is more murder and more killing with guns. stevenleser Sep 2013 #36

Except Vermont. And DC/Chicago on the other side. Recursion Sep 2013 #67

Yes, and the stats prove it. More guns = more killing. From VPC stevenleser Sep 2013 #71

Again, only if you ignore Vermont, DC, Chicago, etc. (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #79

VPC doesnt ignore anyone. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #81

You seem to have at least some science background. DanTex Sep 2013 #82

VPC hasn't managed to count the actual number of guns in a jurisdiction yet Recursion Sep 2013 #143

I imagine it goes both ways. DanTex Sep 2013 #153

VPC cooks the numbers. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #125

Except for El Paso, TX. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #124

Chicago is one place gun nuts point to however treestar Sep 2013 #75

Crime won't significantly change. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #84

LOL. You've been reading too much NRA propaganda. DanTex Sep 2013 #86

LOL, I'm sure you know better than I. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #89

Actually I think that the National Gang Center's statistics know better than you. DanTex Sep 2013 #92

You disgust me. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #77

your concern is noted. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #100

... and irrelevant. DonP Sep 2013 #101

BOOM! Truth Bomb! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #103

Interesting metaphor. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2013 #105

I started saying it after watching the show Men at Work GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #139

My cat loves me. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #127

Chica loves you, too derby378 Sep 2013 #147

Illinois Supreme Court yesterday allowed open carry everywhere AngryAmish Sep 2013 #91

That's fucked up! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #96

Good. I'm not scared of the City of Chicago, I'm scared of the gangs who inhabit the City of Chicago GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #98

Another nail in the gun control coffin HolyMoley Sep 2013 #107

They can get any worse rl6214 Sep 2013 #126

My, oh my! This is interesting. rdharma Sep 2013 #131

Suddenly quiet! rdharma Sep 2013 #136

I have been at work since 5AM. 12 hr shift. 1 hr each way commute. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #142

Oh, I think you know! nt rdharma Sep 2013 #144

I think many have noticed. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #138

Now I'm curious. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #145

Sure. Feel free to PM me. nt rdharma Sep 2013 #151

Fucking gun nuts. nt. Blue Idaho Sep 2013 #148