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In reply to the discussion: Chicago abolishes gun registry in place since 1968 [View all]hack89
(39,171 posts)16. It gets even better
The Illinois Supreme Court just expanded gun rights - the RKBA extends outside the home.
In the first, People v. Aguilar, a person was arrested in his own Chicago yard because he was holding a pistol. The Supremes cited the Heller decision and the 7th US Circuits recent landmark public carry decision (Moore v. Madigan) to knock down the arrest as unconstitutional
if Heller means what it says, and individual self-defense is indeed the central component of the second amendment right to keep and bear arms (Heller, 554 U.S. at 599), then it would make little sense to restrict that right to the home, as confrontations are not limited to the home. Moore, 702 F.3d at 935-36
Of course, in concluding that the second amendment protects the right to possess and use a firearm for self-defense outside the home, we are in no way saying that such a right is unlimited or is not subject to meaningful regulation. See infra ¶¶ 26-27. That said, we cannot escape the reality that, in this case, we are dealing not with a reasonable regulation but with a comprehensive ban. Again, in the form presently before us, section 24-1.6(a)(1), (a)(3)(A) categorically prohibits the possession and use of an operable firearm for selfdefense outside the home. In other words, section 24-1.6(a)(1), (a)(3)(A) amounts to a wholesale statutory ban on the exercise of a personal right that is specifically named in and guaranteed by the United States Constitution, as construed by the United States Supreme Court. In no other context would we permit this, and we will not permit it here either
if Heller means what it says, and individual self-defense is indeed the central component of the second amendment right to keep and bear arms (Heller, 554 U.S. at 599), then it would make little sense to restrict that right to the home, as confrontations are not limited to the home. Moore, 702 F.3d at 935-36
Of course, in concluding that the second amendment protects the right to possess and use a firearm for self-defense outside the home, we are in no way saying that such a right is unlimited or is not subject to meaningful regulation. See infra ¶¶ 26-27. That said, we cannot escape the reality that, in this case, we are dealing not with a reasonable regulation but with a comprehensive ban. Again, in the form presently before us, section 24-1.6(a)(1), (a)(3)(A) categorically prohibits the possession and use of an operable firearm for selfdefense outside the home. In other words, section 24-1.6(a)(1), (a)(3)(A) amounts to a wholesale statutory ban on the exercise of a personal right that is specifically named in and guaranteed by the United States Constitution, as construed by the United States Supreme Court. In no other context would we permit this, and we will not permit it here either
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How would crime statistics show the number of crimes stopped/solved by a registry?
DanTex
Sep 2013
#7
If more gun laws than other areas stops crime, Chicago should have less gun crime
Lee-Lee
Sep 2013
#9
OK, go look up homicide stats for St Louis, New Orleans, and Detroit, and get back to me.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#15
And on the other hand we have the ACLU opposing gun registration due to privacy concerns.
hack89
Sep 2013
#17
Ever since the ACLU sided with Scalia over Citizens United, their credibility has taken a real hit.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#19
LOL. Fiirst you fail at logic. Then try lying, but get called. So now the gloating.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#60
Still here I see! I guess I should have known better than to take you at your word...
DanTex
Sep 2013
#65
They've had 45 years to object to Chicago's law if they wanted. I'm not a mind-reader like you...
DanTex
Sep 2013
#111
What indication has the ACLU ever made that they are okay with state controls that they oppose..
X_Digger
Sep 2013
#114
LOL. Sorry, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Nice try though.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#115
My extrapolation is based on their position on similar issues, presented elsewhere.
X_Digger
Sep 2013
#118
If the ACLU were against this, they would say so. Since they didn't, we don't know
DanTex
Sep 2013
#119
Hmm... Dallas has almost twice the homicide rate of NYC, a much larger and denser city.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#150
Exactly. Despite having a similar assault rate, NYC has a much lower homicide rate.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#156
Most homicides in the US are committed by gun, particularly in high-gun states like Texas.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#158
So we're agreed that gun registries are good so long as personal info isn't released.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#102
Yeah, not all databases are the same. I know this is difficult to comprehend. Try harder.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#20
Are you denying that the Chicago PD has a long history of systemic civil rights violations?
hack89
Sep 2013
#49
So if someone is murdered with a knife or club, they aren't as dead? N/T
GreenStormCloud
Sep 2013
#122
I understood that, but was trying to give some 'context' to the complexities of Illinois' Dem family
ColesCountyDem
Sep 2013
#128
It's a big scary city, huh? I live here and have never felt the need to arm myself.
Gidney N Cloyd
Sep 2013
#34
Certainly I have insurance. But I don't parade it around or hope for an excuse to use it.
Gidney N Cloyd
Sep 2013
#94
Make sure you respond on posts about when cops beat up suspects for no reason.....
Logical
Sep 2013
#130
Everywhere there are lax gun laws, there is more murder and more killing with guns.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#36
Actually I think that the National Gang Center's statistics know better than you.
DanTex
Sep 2013
#92
Good. I'm not scared of the City of Chicago, I'm scared of the gangs who inhabit the City of Chicago
GalaxyHunter
Sep 2013
#98