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rhett o rick

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177. Is it necessary to twist my words to get your point across? If you will notice

Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:13 AM

Sep 2013

there are lots of threads here in DU that the Obama Group wont participate in. For example, discussion on the TPP. Seems to me that they are so strongly biased in favor of the President they are afraid to enter these discussions. How sad. And when Michael Hastings ran into a tree, the Group couldnt wait 10 sec. until they started posting that it wasnt Obama's fault. I would hope Democrats would be open-minded, but some are blinded by their idol worship.

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So it looks like Obama's objective will likely be achieved [View all] Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 OP

Yep. Well done Mr. President. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #1

Is there a link to this? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #156

I have no link. I was saying this in the hopes he will take the deal. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #159

Sorry, my question should have been directed at the OP. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #163

Not all things posted here are from a link madokie Sep 2013 #207

Obama told NBC News in an interview Monday that he remains skeptical that Syria will follow through totodeinhere Sep 2013 #2

Which, taken in context, is a perfect way to keep the pressure on Putin and Assad. tridim Sep 2013 #83

How do you know its working? Nothing has happened yet and as I ready said totodeinhere Sep 2013 #167

Well,read this and tell me what you think...please. I snappyturtle Sep 2013 #201

You bet it is madokie Sep 2013 #208

His objective is regime change LittleBlue Sep 2013 #3

Link? Hekate Sep 2013 #6

Link? There the thousands of them. former9thward Sep 2013 #11

That is from 2011. This article written in 2013 says regime change is not the goal Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #18

Why would they change their minds? former9thward Sep 2013 #23

Obama didn't indicate his goal was for a regime change in 2011. He said Assad should step aside lumpy Sep 2013 #126

That is up to the Syrian people. former9thward Sep 2013 #147

Obama statement from 2011 was not calling for a regime change, his statement was to the effect lumpy Sep 2013 #115

No, he did not say that. former9thward Sep 2013 #146

here's one notadmblnd Sep 2013 #12

Who are you going to believe FrodosPet Sep 2013 #80

Overarching negotiated transition- is that supposed to be a bad thing ? lumpy Sep 2013 #127

No, someone asked for a link notadmblnd Sep 2013 #140

Link? Where is the link in the OP? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #157

White House: We're not seeking 'regime change' as goal in Syria Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #7

Not seeking except when they are. former9thward Sep 2013 #13

Assad goes and a general from his army steps in. NOT REGIME CHANGE. Why this is so hard KittyWampus Sep 2013 #17

Assad isn't going anywhere. former9thward Sep 2013 #20

Well, you just answered your own statement. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #104

That crystal ball is rolling again lumpy Sep 2013 #132

Through a POLITICAL SOLUTION karynnj Sep 2013 #32

Assad isn't going anywhere. former9thward Sep 2013 #48

thank you arely staircase Sep 2013 #75

I think it won't be long sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #105

I'm serious. former9thward Sep 2013 #144

Indeed . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #51

Assad stepping down, could that be a bad thing? A replacement couldn't be any worse. lumpy Sep 2013 #130

What has changed since 2011? former9thward Sep 2013 #149

Right, just like he wasn't for insurance mandates LittleBlue Sep 2013 #26

and he's gonna cut social security!!!!111 arely staircase Sep 2013 #46

What in the world are you on about? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #50

lol arely staircase Sep 2013 #55

BOG People: In all seriousness, this is why you catch so much heat. Maedhros Sep 2013 #195

+1 QC Sep 2013 #204

Trust us Charlie Brown. We arent seeking a "regime change" this time. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #158

His goal is categorically NOT REGIME CHANGE> Sorry for all caps but it has been stated ad naseum KittyWampus Sep 2013 #15

Correct. It was John McCain that said AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #38

If you're going to keep using the phrase, spell it correctly - ad NAUSEAM Divernan Sep 2013 #78

Why are you being disingenuous? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #106

Assad does need to go. How that is accomplished is the question. lumpy Sep 2013 #133

Alright. At least that is honesty. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #134

You prefer Al-Qaeda to Assad? lark Sep 2013 #200

That is correct. David__77 Sep 2013 #33

Yeah...regime change...or give up the WMD's....it is pretty simple VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

We are arming Syrian rebels LittleBlue Sep 2013 #43

Doesn't seem like that is going to happen now does it? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44

regime change huh? pasto76 Sep 2013 #81

I think people are counting their peace dividends long before they reach maturity. leveymg Sep 2013 #102

He made it very clear when this all began that regime change was NOT his goal. pnwmom Sep 2013 #120

Post 12- Susan Rice explicitly states regime change. nt LittleBlue Sep 2013 #135

That's exactly what I said. Regime change would be the result of pnwmom Sep 2013 #142

What does that have to do with what I wrote? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #145

You referred to post 12, which linked to a tweet. Did you even read it? pnwmom Sep 2013 #148

And that can only happen when the rebels start winning LittleBlue Sep 2013 #152

Obama didn't want regime change to occur right now, because there is no obvious pnwmom Sep 2013 #155

Straight from Obamas mouth, no doubt. lumpy Sep 2013 #122

Susan Rice, post 12. nt LittleBlue Sep 2013 #137

Well Then... cynzke Sep 2013 #179

Obama's objective was to recover from his dumb ass red line remark.... bowens43 Sep 2013 #4

You really can't accept success, can you philosslayer Sep 2013 #37

What are you basing that on? What success? I pity those that worship Pres Obama to rhett o rick Sep 2013 #160

In due time philosslayer Sep 2013 #164

So you havent seen "success" yet? And your statement about rhett o rick Sep 2013 #166

As opposed to the unbiased "worship" mythology Sep 2013 #171

Is it necessary to twist my words to get your point across? If you will notice rhett o rick Sep 2013 #177

Boy bowens43, you just feel monumentally fucked-up rury Sep 2013 #56

And that spin is one of the symptoms of Type 2 ODS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #63

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #5

No kidding. When I shut the boob-toob off the bobble-heads were still... Hekate Sep 2013 #9

Hekate, the poster you're agreeing with is slamming the President's supporters Number23 Sep 2013 #181

Whoopsie Hekate Sep 2013 #190

How many types of ODS are there Andy823 Sep 2013 #52

Type 1: Tea Party associated ODS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #54

Interesting Andy823 Sep 2013 #66

I don't know anything about types 3 or 4. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #73

+1! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #77

+2 bravenak Sep 2013 #153

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2013 #85

but what about all the fuel wasted steaming ships over toward Syria? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #8

At the very least the ships should have been wind-powered to save on oil Hekate Sep 2013 #10

They were wind-powered when I was in the Navy. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #29

John Paul Jones, I presume? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #35

Sir Francis Drake! Is that you? L0oniX Sep 2013 #88

Obama should have pulled those ships himself! Whisp Sep 2013 #124

You win the thread! freshwest Sep 2013 #202

Then he should withdraw the request for an AUMF Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #14

That would be the stick from the carrot and stick approach. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #19

Except if it loses then he loses his stick. Publically. LOUDLY! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #22

I instinctively knew this was their objective.. Cha Sep 2013 #16

No, having Assad give up his chemical weapons was the Russians' idea. Even Obama himself totodeinhere Sep 2013 #168

OMFG. This was not the used war salesman in chiefs plan: grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #21

apparantly assad in more easily threatened by the US Navy than at first suspected arely staircase Sep 2013 #53

See, threats of strikes iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #24

Obama was playing 3D chess while his detractors were playing checkers mwrguy Sep 2013 #25

lol fascisthunter Sep 2013 #31

I tried to warn them... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #39

Yep Tx4obama Sep 2013 #47

type 2.. frylock Sep 2013 #68

This board! BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #79

LOL, sure he was. OK! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #138

i really hope it works out JI7 Sep 2013 #27

If that was indeed the master plan, I wish we somehow were in on it. NT onlyadream Sep 2013 #28

then it wouldn't have worked... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #41

And it definitely wasn't the first time. mimi85 Sep 2013 #95

absolutely right... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #96

clumping ashes together to build a house fascisthunter Sep 2013 #30

A very small minority of us has been saying that for days. philosslayer Sep 2013 #34

Yep...the tempo around here sure has changed dramatically since last night... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

Well done, indeed! Can't understand why the naysayers never learn. appacom Sep 2013 #178

good job mr. president arely staircase Sep 2013 #40

it`s promising but we will see if it works. madrchsod Sep 2013 #45

K&R flamingdem Sep 2013 #49

Brilliant planning. rug Sep 2013 #57

Politico likes to spin against the Obama admin. It was Kerry's idea: Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #59

It was Kerry talking out loud. rug Sep 2013 #60

Correct. Kerry spoke Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #61

Lol. First, Kerry was answering a question. Are you saying the question was planted? rug Sep 2013 #64

It was Kerry who floated the idea... Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #67

He was asked a question. He answered off the top of his head. Sorry, this is not von Clausewitz. rug Sep 2013 #84

Politico is not a friend lumpy Sep 2013 #136

LOL. Is Faux your friend? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #162

So it was Kerry, without the Presidents knowledge, who got this done? nt. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #194

Are you surprised there was such a question? karynnj Sep 2013 #90

It was a rather vague question. Are you saying Kerry was prepped to provide the answer? rug Sep 2013 #92

No absolutely not karynnj Sep 2013 #154

He did and last week he had the discussions Iliyah Sep 2013 #103

Isnt telegraphindia a right wing conspiracy sight? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #161

That depends upon whether it supports the narrative or counters it. Maedhros Sep 2013 #196

Good point. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #197

It appears some of the posters raising hell about going to war are now crying and making Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #58

America is PISSED about a war and he finds another solution. Who gets credit for that? n-t Logical Sep 2013 #139

You kinda figured who found another solution so it would be probably Obama and his team. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #172

pee wee herman diplomacy.. frylock Sep 2013 #62

rofl Vattel Sep 2013 #94

Heh... SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2013 #109

Basically. +1 BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #65

What will you say if the push for a military strike continues? Marr Sep 2013 #69

Succeeded at making an ass of himself Ocelot Sep 2013 #70

We'll see if that's how it goes, won't we? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #71

Yay!! bravenak Sep 2013 #72

An unintended consiquence of a crappy policy blackspade Sep 2013 #74

One can only hope! n/t Paper Roses Sep 2013 #76

Good news!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #82

Hurrah. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #86

You need to give credit to President Putin, don't you think? another_liberal Sep 2013 #87

Yes, it was Putin's idea. He first raised it with Obama during their brief meeting in totodeinhere Sep 2013 #170

The real threat of an attack no doubt got the Syrian's attention. DCBob Sep 2013 #89

That's what I was wondering last week.. what's assad Cha Sep 2013 #165

Chemical Weapons are Naughty but Everyone Gets a Freebie!!! NoOneMan Sep 2013 #91

I can't tell if you're serious or not. If serious, you are delusional. n/t SylviaD Sep 2013 #93

I wonder what the NEXT wave of anti-Obama DU flak will be. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #97

The blab is disturbing. Indeed lumpy Sep 2013 #141

I will wait until it actually happens before I break out the champaign. nt Javaman Sep 2013 #98

According to you Caretha Sep 2013 #99

That wasn't all. It was to eliminate them. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #100

This thread is sad. Marr Sep 2013 #101

Well I don't know. Look at all the folks that have been cheering about the... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #107

I don't think they were cheering because Obama would be a lame duck. Marr Sep 2013 #112

yep noiretextatique Sep 2013 #180

This could be the finest diplomatic achievement since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis BlueEye Sep 2013 #108

It is not at all obvious that we didn't arrive at this point by accident. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #110

I'm hoping this works out for the best rpannier Sep 2013 #111

"Russia seizing the upper hand..." WTF rpannier?? rury Sep 2013 #117

Played? You've got to be kidding. caseymoz Sep 2013 #113

Cali is on my full block list. So why am I seeing this BS? blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #114

I support anything LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #116

People often underestimate the President citizen blues Sep 2013 #118

Well, we aren't out of the woods yet. morningfog Sep 2013 #119

Not so fast. OldRedneck Sep 2013 #121

That assad will sign the anti chemical treaty is part of the deal lumpy Sep 2013 #143

Wow, so Syria agreed to turn over the chems? TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #123

If that had been Obama's objective, it would have made far more sense to achieve winter is coming Sep 2013 #125

And its driving the Combustible Hair Club crazy! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #128

No, his objective is to hand Syria over to al Qaeda. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #129

I'm betting a lot of you would be saying "Well. Fucking. Done" whatever happened. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #131

Oh my God. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #150

What could have happened for which you would NOT say "well done"? GoneFishin Sep 2013 #151

What a difference a day makes. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #169

And this all came out just in time for his speech on Tuesday. Kablooie Sep 2013 #173

Kick n/t politicasista Sep 2013 #174

Mission isn't accomplished until that pipeline is in the ground - TBF Sep 2013 #175

Until it actually happens I wouldn't be breaking out the champaign just yet. Javaman Sep 2013 #176

K&R for the folks that have actually become INCONTINENT at the mere thought of giving Number23 Sep 2013 #182

Lets wait to see how this plays out before giving out either credit or blame. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #185

What you so tellingly call the "Russian proposal" is referred to as Obama/Putin negotiations Number23 Sep 2013 #186

No, I was using the language used by most news outlets. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #187

Nonsense. Do you have any idea how easy it is to restart the chem program? BlueStreak Sep 2013 #183

Are you SERIOUS???!!!! BrainDrain Sep 2013 #184

A U.S. official called Secretary of State John Kerry's remarks in Britain on Monday a "major goof," orenbus Sep 2013 #188

It would be very good fortune to have a "major goof" actually lead to a positive outcome, though. Maedhros Sep 2013 #198

One stated objective, anyway. Orsino Sep 2013 #189

K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #191

BIG K/R CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #192

Biggest deal thous is that he SET THE PRECEDENT for going to Congress Tumbulu Sep 2013 #193

Obama got very lucky. lark Sep 2013 #199

K&R nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #203

Goal achieved?!?!? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #205

My last boss was like the puke congress critters madokie Sep 2013 #206