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BlancheSplanchnik

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97. I wonder what the NEXT wave of anti-Obama DU flak will be.

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:30 PM

Sep 2013

I haven't gotten into discussions on this one because I know it's way too behind the scenes and complex for me to have any idea. I know I don't know; I'm not gonna pontificate over some opinion I cook up based on belligerent assumptions. All I felt I could offer, if I were to say something, were hopes for a good outcome.

Not a popular stance on DU.

But it did always seem out of character that President Obama would suddenly turn into a bewsh-style idiot.

The jumping to negative conclusions before all the info is known seems familiar here over the last 6 years. And the hate-ons for anyone who wasn't brandishing torches and pitchforks against him--not a friendly place to admit to not knowing but hoping and having positive expectations based on PBO's track record.

Looking at past behavior as a predictor of future behavior. Gee, what a concept.

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So it looks like Obama's objective will likely be achieved [View all] Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 OP

Yep. Well done Mr. President. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #1

Is there a link to this? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #156

I have no link. I was saying this in the hopes he will take the deal. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #159

Sorry, my question should have been directed at the OP. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #163

Not all things posted here are from a link madokie Sep 2013 #207

Obama told NBC News in an interview Monday that he remains skeptical that Syria will follow through totodeinhere Sep 2013 #2

Which, taken in context, is a perfect way to keep the pressure on Putin and Assad. tridim Sep 2013 #83

How do you know its working? Nothing has happened yet and as I ready said totodeinhere Sep 2013 #167

Well,read this and tell me what you think...please. I snappyturtle Sep 2013 #201

You bet it is madokie Sep 2013 #208

His objective is regime change LittleBlue Sep 2013 #3

Link? Hekate Sep 2013 #6

Link? There the thousands of them. former9thward Sep 2013 #11

That is from 2011. This article written in 2013 says regime change is not the goal Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #18

Why would they change their minds? former9thward Sep 2013 #23

Obama didn't indicate his goal was for a regime change in 2011. He said Assad should step aside lumpy Sep 2013 #126

That is up to the Syrian people. former9thward Sep 2013 #147

Obama statement from 2011 was not calling for a regime change, his statement was to the effect lumpy Sep 2013 #115

No, he did not say that. former9thward Sep 2013 #146

here's one notadmblnd Sep 2013 #12

Who are you going to believe FrodosPet Sep 2013 #80

Overarching negotiated transition- is that supposed to be a bad thing ? lumpy Sep 2013 #127

No, someone asked for a link notadmblnd Sep 2013 #140

Link? Where is the link in the OP? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #157

White House: We're not seeking 'regime change' as goal in Syria Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #7

Not seeking except when they are. former9thward Sep 2013 #13

Assad goes and a general from his army steps in. NOT REGIME CHANGE. Why this is so hard KittyWampus Sep 2013 #17

Assad isn't going anywhere. former9thward Sep 2013 #20

Well, you just answered your own statement. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #104

That crystal ball is rolling again lumpy Sep 2013 #132

Through a POLITICAL SOLUTION karynnj Sep 2013 #32

Assad isn't going anywhere. former9thward Sep 2013 #48

thank you arely staircase Sep 2013 #75

I think it won't be long sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #105

I'm serious. former9thward Sep 2013 #144

Indeed . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #51

Assad stepping down, could that be a bad thing? A replacement couldn't be any worse. lumpy Sep 2013 #130

What has changed since 2011? former9thward Sep 2013 #149

Right, just like he wasn't for insurance mandates LittleBlue Sep 2013 #26

and he's gonna cut social security!!!!111 arely staircase Sep 2013 #46

What in the world are you on about? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #50

lol arely staircase Sep 2013 #55

BOG People: In all seriousness, this is why you catch so much heat. Maedhros Sep 2013 #195

+1 QC Sep 2013 #204

Trust us Charlie Brown. We arent seeking a "regime change" this time. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #158

His goal is categorically NOT REGIME CHANGE> Sorry for all caps but it has been stated ad naseum KittyWampus Sep 2013 #15

Correct. It was John McCain that said AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #38

If you're going to keep using the phrase, spell it correctly - ad NAUSEAM Divernan Sep 2013 #78

Why are you being disingenuous? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #106

Assad does need to go. How that is accomplished is the question. lumpy Sep 2013 #133

Alright. At least that is honesty. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #134

You prefer Al-Qaeda to Assad? lark Sep 2013 #200

That is correct. David__77 Sep 2013 #33

Yeah...regime change...or give up the WMD's....it is pretty simple VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

We are arming Syrian rebels LittleBlue Sep 2013 #43

Doesn't seem like that is going to happen now does it? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44

regime change huh? pasto76 Sep 2013 #81

I think people are counting their peace dividends long before they reach maturity. leveymg Sep 2013 #102

He made it very clear when this all began that regime change was NOT his goal. pnwmom Sep 2013 #120

Post 12- Susan Rice explicitly states regime change. nt LittleBlue Sep 2013 #135

That's exactly what I said. Regime change would be the result of pnwmom Sep 2013 #142

What does that have to do with what I wrote? LittleBlue Sep 2013 #145

You referred to post 12, which linked to a tweet. Did you even read it? pnwmom Sep 2013 #148

And that can only happen when the rebels start winning LittleBlue Sep 2013 #152

Obama didn't want regime change to occur right now, because there is no obvious pnwmom Sep 2013 #155

Straight from Obamas mouth, no doubt. lumpy Sep 2013 #122

Susan Rice, post 12. nt LittleBlue Sep 2013 #137

Well Then... cynzke Sep 2013 #179

Obama's objective was to recover from his dumb ass red line remark.... bowens43 Sep 2013 #4

You really can't accept success, can you philosslayer Sep 2013 #37

What are you basing that on? What success? I pity those that worship Pres Obama to rhett o rick Sep 2013 #160

In due time philosslayer Sep 2013 #164

So you havent seen "success" yet? And your statement about rhett o rick Sep 2013 #166

As opposed to the unbiased "worship" mythology Sep 2013 #171

Is it necessary to twist my words to get your point across? If you will notice rhett o rick Sep 2013 #177

Boy bowens43, you just feel monumentally fucked-up rury Sep 2013 #56

And that spin is one of the symptoms of Type 2 ODS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #63

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #5

No kidding. When I shut the boob-toob off the bobble-heads were still... Hekate Sep 2013 #9

Hekate, the poster you're agreeing with is slamming the President's supporters Number23 Sep 2013 #181

Whoopsie Hekate Sep 2013 #190

How many types of ODS are there Andy823 Sep 2013 #52

Type 1: Tea Party associated ODS MNBrewer Sep 2013 #54

Interesting Andy823 Sep 2013 #66

I don't know anything about types 3 or 4. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #73

+1! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #77

+2 bravenak Sep 2013 #153

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2013 #85

but what about all the fuel wasted steaming ships over toward Syria? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #8

At the very least the ships should have been wind-powered to save on oil Hekate Sep 2013 #10

They were wind-powered when I was in the Navy. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #29

John Paul Jones, I presume? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #35

Sir Francis Drake! Is that you? L0oniX Sep 2013 #88

Obama should have pulled those ships himself! Whisp Sep 2013 #124

You win the thread! freshwest Sep 2013 #202

Then he should withdraw the request for an AUMF Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #14

That would be the stick from the carrot and stick approach. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #19

Except if it loses then he loses his stick. Publically. LOUDLY! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #22

I instinctively knew this was their objective.. Cha Sep 2013 #16

No, having Assad give up his chemical weapons was the Russians' idea. Even Obama himself totodeinhere Sep 2013 #168

OMFG. This was not the used war salesman in chiefs plan: grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #21

apparantly assad in more easily threatened by the US Navy than at first suspected arely staircase Sep 2013 #53

See, threats of strikes iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #24

Obama was playing 3D chess while his detractors were playing checkers mwrguy Sep 2013 #25

lol fascisthunter Sep 2013 #31

I tried to warn them... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #39

Yep Tx4obama Sep 2013 #47

type 2.. frylock Sep 2013 #68

This board! BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #79

LOL, sure he was. OK! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #138

i really hope it works out JI7 Sep 2013 #27

If that was indeed the master plan, I wish we somehow were in on it. NT onlyadream Sep 2013 #28

then it wouldn't have worked... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #41

And it definitely wasn't the first time. mimi85 Sep 2013 #95

absolutely right... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #96

clumping ashes together to build a house fascisthunter Sep 2013 #30

A very small minority of us has been saying that for days. philosslayer Sep 2013 #34

Yep...the tempo around here sure has changed dramatically since last night... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

Well done, indeed! Can't understand why the naysayers never learn. appacom Sep 2013 #178

good job mr. president arely staircase Sep 2013 #40

it`s promising but we will see if it works. madrchsod Sep 2013 #45

K&R flamingdem Sep 2013 #49

Brilliant planning. rug Sep 2013 #57

Politico likes to spin against the Obama admin. It was Kerry's idea: Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #59

It was Kerry talking out loud. rug Sep 2013 #60

Correct. Kerry spoke Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #61

Lol. First, Kerry was answering a question. Are you saying the question was planted? rug Sep 2013 #64

It was Kerry who floated the idea... Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #67

He was asked a question. He answered off the top of his head. Sorry, this is not von Clausewitz. rug Sep 2013 #84

Politico is not a friend lumpy Sep 2013 #136

LOL. Is Faux your friend? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #162

So it was Kerry, without the Presidents knowledge, who got this done? nt. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #194

Are you surprised there was such a question? karynnj Sep 2013 #90

It was a rather vague question. Are you saying Kerry was prepped to provide the answer? rug Sep 2013 #92

No absolutely not karynnj Sep 2013 #154

He did and last week he had the discussions Iliyah Sep 2013 #103

Isnt telegraphindia a right wing conspiracy sight? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #161

That depends upon whether it supports the narrative or counters it. Maedhros Sep 2013 #196

Good point. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #197

It appears some of the posters raising hell about going to war are now crying and making Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #58

America is PISSED about a war and he finds another solution. Who gets credit for that? n-t Logical Sep 2013 #139

You kinda figured who found another solution so it would be probably Obama and his team. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #172

pee wee herman diplomacy.. frylock Sep 2013 #62

rofl Vattel Sep 2013 #94

Heh... SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2013 #109

Basically. +1 BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #65

What will you say if the push for a military strike continues? Marr Sep 2013 #69

Succeeded at making an ass of himself Ocelot Sep 2013 #70

We'll see if that's how it goes, won't we? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #71

Yay!! bravenak Sep 2013 #72

An unintended consiquence of a crappy policy blackspade Sep 2013 #74

One can only hope! n/t Paper Roses Sep 2013 #76

Good news!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #82

Hurrah. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #86

You need to give credit to President Putin, don't you think? another_liberal Sep 2013 #87

Yes, it was Putin's idea. He first raised it with Obama during their brief meeting in totodeinhere Sep 2013 #170

The real threat of an attack no doubt got the Syrian's attention. DCBob Sep 2013 #89

That's what I was wondering last week.. what's assad Cha Sep 2013 #165

Chemical Weapons are Naughty but Everyone Gets a Freebie!!! NoOneMan Sep 2013 #91

I can't tell if you're serious or not. If serious, you are delusional. n/t SylviaD Sep 2013 #93

I wonder what the NEXT wave of anti-Obama DU flak will be. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #97

The blab is disturbing. Indeed lumpy Sep 2013 #141

I will wait until it actually happens before I break out the champaign. nt Javaman Sep 2013 #98

According to you Caretha Sep 2013 #99

That wasn't all. It was to eliminate them. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #100

This thread is sad. Marr Sep 2013 #101

Well I don't know. Look at all the folks that have been cheering about the... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #107

I don't think they were cheering because Obama would be a lame duck. Marr Sep 2013 #112

yep noiretextatique Sep 2013 #180

This could be the finest diplomatic achievement since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis BlueEye Sep 2013 #108

It is not at all obvious that we didn't arrive at this point by accident. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #110

I'm hoping this works out for the best rpannier Sep 2013 #111

"Russia seizing the upper hand..." WTF rpannier?? rury Sep 2013 #117

Played? You've got to be kidding. caseymoz Sep 2013 #113

Cali is on my full block list. So why am I seeing this BS? blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #114

I support anything LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #116

People often underestimate the President citizen blues Sep 2013 #118

Well, we aren't out of the woods yet. morningfog Sep 2013 #119

Not so fast. OldRedneck Sep 2013 #121

That assad will sign the anti chemical treaty is part of the deal lumpy Sep 2013 #143

Wow, so Syria agreed to turn over the chems? TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #123

If that had been Obama's objective, it would have made far more sense to achieve winter is coming Sep 2013 #125

And its driving the Combustible Hair Club crazy! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #128

No, his objective is to hand Syria over to al Qaeda. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #129

I'm betting a lot of you would be saying "Well. Fucking. Done" whatever happened. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #131

Oh my God. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #150

What could have happened for which you would NOT say "well done"? GoneFishin Sep 2013 #151

What a difference a day makes. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #169

And this all came out just in time for his speech on Tuesday. Kablooie Sep 2013 #173

Kick n/t politicasista Sep 2013 #174

Mission isn't accomplished until that pipeline is in the ground - TBF Sep 2013 #175

Until it actually happens I wouldn't be breaking out the champaign just yet. Javaman Sep 2013 #176

K&R for the folks that have actually become INCONTINENT at the mere thought of giving Number23 Sep 2013 #182

Lets wait to see how this plays out before giving out either credit or blame. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #185

What you so tellingly call the "Russian proposal" is referred to as Obama/Putin negotiations Number23 Sep 2013 #186

No, I was using the language used by most news outlets. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #187

Nonsense. Do you have any idea how easy it is to restart the chem program? BlueStreak Sep 2013 #183

Are you SERIOUS???!!!! BrainDrain Sep 2013 #184

A U.S. official called Secretary of State John Kerry's remarks in Britain on Monday a "major goof," orenbus Sep 2013 #188

It would be very good fortune to have a "major goof" actually lead to a positive outcome, though. Maedhros Sep 2013 #198

One stated objective, anyway. Orsino Sep 2013 #189

K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #191

BIG K/R CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #192

Biggest deal thous is that he SET THE PRECEDENT for going to Congress Tumbulu Sep 2013 #193

Obama got very lucky. lark Sep 2013 #199

K&R nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #203

Goal achieved?!?!? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #205

My last boss was like the puke congress critters madokie Sep 2013 #206