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Posteritatis

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8. They were only tactically effective a handful of times, actually
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:44 PM
Aug 2013

Chemical weapons in the First World War were responsible for a very small proportion of the casualties, and only had any kind of decisive impact a couple of times. The reason they were largely stigmatized is because they were not only militarily pointless, but they created even more horrific injuries or deaths than the conventional weapons at the time did. They "only" killed about 90,000 people in the war but injured about fifteen times that in particularly awful ways, despite being around a quarter of all the shells fired in the war.

By the time of the war - or at least by the end of the war - the sentiment was generally "this sucks enough without adding something to the mix that doesn't affect the outcome but just makes things even worse." The notion of a chivalrous, fair fight in general didn't survive the fall of 1914. They knew very quickly that things were different now.

Basically, by the end of the war they were written off as an unproductive atrocity (which was still perfectly okay to use against colonials, as the Italians particularly liked pointing out). By the Second World War they were much more dangerous, but it still came down to understanding that if they were used it probably wouldn't have an effect on the fighting as a whole save to make it even worse. When your only options are "have them used against you in return" or "draw down the wrath of the great powers," they get reduced to one of three things: an absolute dead end, a deterrent against foes who might also have them, or a weapon of desperation and/or fear. But really, that's all they ever were.

Just to comment: The Nazis had no problem using them on civilians. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #1
They didn't use them on the Russians or Poles, who had no air force and geek tragedy Aug 2013 #3
The Russians took tons of prisoners on the eastern front. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #6
how many were allowed to survive? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #14
For German POWs held by the Soviet Union, about 2.4 million went home by 1950 NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #16
thx nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #17
If one country busted them out against the other major powers in WWII, everyone would Posteritatis Aug 2013 #11
I think that back in WWI PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #2
They were only tactically effective a handful of times, actually Posteritatis Aug 2013 #8
Good info. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #12
The short version is it's pretty hard to overestimate how stupid they were, for sure Posteritatis Aug 2013 #13
World War I blueridge3210 Aug 2013 #34
An internatonal conferance on the Conventons of war should be convened ... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #4
There are international treaties banning land mines and cluster munitions. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #5
And Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #9
Treaties are fine, but who is going to enforce them and how. Downwinder Aug 2013 #7
Times change Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #10
you think chemical weapons were banned because they were too effective? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15
Yes they were very efficient in WWI Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18
um geek tragedy Aug 2013 #19
Disagree with that heavily Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #24
Many people disagree with facts. Chemical weapons caused a tiny fraction of the war's casualties. nt Posteritatis Aug 2013 #26
Chemical weapons were not used at the onset of WWI Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #30
Gas shells were one quarter of all shells fired, and caused four percent of the casualties. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #32
The problem is that this is very a conservative estimate of casualties by chemical weapons Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #33
Chemical weapons are unreliable. They go where the wind sends them. Downwinder Aug 2013 #22
Which often happened. Chem weapons were probably the *least* effective weapons of that war. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #23
Trenches were not that close of proximity Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #25
ALL weapons of war should be banned, permanently. 99Forever Aug 2013 #20
People arguing that use of chemical weapons is "the same" as use of other weapons are simply foolish alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #21
+1 n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #27
Would they also say then that the use of Nuclear weapons is "the same"? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #28
If politically palatable, probably Posteritatis Aug 2013 #29
**facepalm** VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #31
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