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Ms. Toad

(34,354 posts)
13. Big difference between live interactions
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:41 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:25 PM - Edit history (1)

and the internet. Especially in the two days following the announcement in discussions about Chelsea Mannings gender identity.

In the latter circumstances, a slip-up is deliberate. It simply does not pass the laugh test that someone in a conversation about whether to refer to her using female pronouns "slips" and uses male pronouns or calls her a man. First, it is the subject of the conversation. Second you have all the time in the world to review your post before hitting post. Third, many posters did so deliberately and repeatedly, accompanied by comments like "he's a man until he has surgery (or does whatever thing the poster imagines makes her a woman)"

Discussing what has been going on here as if it was all slip-ups is insulting. No trans* person I know is going to damn anyone for the occasional slip-up by someone who knew them before transition. A friend of mine says folks have as long to unlearn her gender expression and get it right as they knew her. Generally it doesn't take that long. But that is not what is going on here.

That didn't take long - Cases in point:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023524973#post4 (A person can say, and believe, that he is a female, and really, it doesn't make a difference to me what someone believes. )
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023524973#post8 (to be respectful {and use correct pronouns} I have to suspend my belief in something I know as fact (i.e. that body parts = gender).)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023524973#post11 (it's not real; just a pet cause)

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