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AnotherMcIntosh

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79. Would you agree even if they proposed increasing prison time for gun-using criminals?

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:41 PM

Aug 2013

That would seem to be one way to keep the guns out of the hands of those who have proven their willingness to use guns for illegal purposes?

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"Gun nut" kills 38-year old. [View all] AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 OP

So you think gun deaths in this country are all justified? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #1

How illogical. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #3

How stupid to post ONE example and act like that explains all of them. Why.... Logical Aug 2013 #4

How many elections need to be lost to understand Bill Clinton's analysis? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #7

And how many 2012 elections need to be repeated before the gun nuts get it? Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #190

could say Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #11

And I would argue against those stupid posts also. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #14

Ignore them mikeysnot Aug 2013 #86

So true. Almost no one worries about long guns used for home defense. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #91

Some criminals do. Some criminals that would otherwise be home invaders. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #102

That's fair. Here's a story that justifies legal carry on the streets. ... spin Aug 2013 #114

fair? really? mikeysnot Aug 2013 #192

Of course I could come up with many more examples of legally concealed weapons being ... spin Aug 2013 #193

You definitely live up to your name... mikeysnot Aug 2013 #194

Thanks. I feel you also picked a good name. ... spin Aug 2013 #195

I don't think he said that anywhere. rl6214 Aug 2013 #8

The drama in the post was obvious.... Logical Aug 2013 #10

Do you have a CCW for reason other than sarisataka Aug 2013 #108

I have it for that exact reason. Seldom do. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #121

Fair enough sarisataka Aug 2013 #122

the guy needed a gun to protect himself from.....a gun humper who stole the gun from yet another one Skittles Aug 2013 #178

Guns make America "free" BainsBane Aug 2013 #123

"Better a thousand guilty men go free....." Turbineguy Aug 2013 #128

It's about probabilities. Guns are more likely to do harm than good. Only MillennialDem Aug 2013 #2

Based on Bill Clinton's analysis, what's probability of losing more seats by reviving the 1993 issue AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #5

We kept trying to gain rights for blacks. Did that end up working? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #9

Democrats did not lose Congressional seats by "trying to gain rights for Blacks." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #12

How about gay rights? Should we have gave up on that also? And we did lose voters on that. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #13

Say what? Democrats lost the South for generations from "trying to gain rights for blacks" Fumesucker Aug 2013 #119

OK AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #129

. NoGOPZone Aug 2013 #132

The poster at #119 already pointed out that the Democrats in the South lost for generations AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #133

hopefully I've continued to expand NoGOPZone Aug 2013 #134

Sorry to disappoint you, but no. I was aware of the losses in the South after the Civil Rights law AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #135

No I don't realize, nor do I care or see the relevance how many hours went by NoGOPZone Aug 2013 #136

Wrong. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #53

No I do not think killing an attacker is the only way a person with a gun stops an MillennialDem Aug 2013 #75

A gun-owning homeowner has a 100% chance of using a gun to DETER SOME CRIMINALS AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #83

Or it just makes those who do commit crimes more violent / more likely to kill the MillennialDem Aug 2013 #87

The odds of Rodney Eugene Long committing a more violent crime has been reduced to zero. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #103

And again we go back to my first statement on the issue. This happens less than once a day in the US MillennialDem Aug 2013 #118

And less than 1% of guns are used in a crime, so a 99% probability that a gun owner does good The Straight Story Aug 2013 #141

Gun nuts suck jpak Aug 2013 #6

Hyperbole much? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #15

Yep, I agree, just a dramatic post about a topic we have discussed 1000 times. Boring. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #17

If you are one of those who think people-who-own-guns-are-gun-nuts, go for it. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #18

So your argument is that no "gun nuts" exist? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #20

That is not my argument. However, those who believe that all gun owners are gun nuts are nuts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #50

So we should be against saner gun laws to save politicians? Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #16

The AWB and demonizing the NRA worked as well as Prohibition. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24

Demonizing the NRA? Really? Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #49

Not to the Gungeoneers. billh58 Aug 2013 #100

There's those straw Gungeoneers again, the ones you never link to. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #117

There is a big difference between having a shotgun in your home ... dawg Aug 2013 #19

Yes, the OP did not think this through very well. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #23

Couple of points: mn9driver Aug 2013 #21

Actually, the phrase "gun nuts" has been repeatedly used on DU by advocates of another AWB. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #26

So your argument is that no "gun nuts" exist? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #29

So your answer is that no one on DU has ever called anyone, including other DUers, "gun nuts"? Ghost in the Machine Aug 2013 #125

LOL, where did I say that? The OP tied to make it sounds like "Gun Nut" not a valid.... Logical Aug 2013 #126

You persist in using the term. mn9driver Aug 2013 #39

Just sayin... sarisataka Aug 2013 #72

Exactly! AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #74

Got it. 5 weeks ago a poster made a general comment so we get to read a strawman thread today. mn9driver Aug 2013 #89

Nonsense. Such references to "gun nuts" are made all the time. Check out post #90. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #97

I know, 5 weeks is SOOOOOOO sarisataka Aug 2013 #106

An AWB would not cover a shotgun muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #41

The term "semi-automatics" does not exclude shotguns. Some shotguns are semi-automatics. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #47

Oh yes it would. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #137

Fine - anyone who thinks of a gun like that when they hear 'shotgun' is a gun nut muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #144

And anyone that thinks that these should be the legal limit of firearms... beevul Aug 2013 #145

Yeah - I want to grab the killing tools muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #146

See, now thats just plain wrong. And uncalled for. beevul Aug 2013 #147

No, you are on the side of *lawful* killing muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #148

Your ability to withstand what must be terrible cognitive dissonance is impressive. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #150

Gimme a break DFW Aug 2013 #22

Nice response! nt Logical Aug 2013 #25

Guns in private residences still DETER far more intruders than are actually killed. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #31

Overall, a gun in a private residence increases the risk of homicide, suicide, and accident DanTex Aug 2013 #35

Overall, advocating for gun bans increases the risk of losing Democratic seats in Congress. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #48

Never Forget 9/11 otohara Aug 2013 #85

How many have been killed by automobile accidents in the last 12 years? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #96

Come Up With A New Talking Point PLEASE otohara Aug 2013 #109

So, "How did you come up with the "300,000+" number? Did somebody just make that up?" AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #113

Click on The Link otohara Aug 2013 #116

FWIW, just so you will know ... dawg Aug 2013 #27

Since you admit that you own a firearm, I do not believe that you are a "gun-grabbing liberal." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #38

I favor reasonable limits on gun ownership (and especially gun sales). dawg Aug 2013 #42

I favor having Democrats in the House and the Senate, and not losing seats over another AWB issue. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #58

Well, you'll get at least half of your wish. dawg Aug 2013 #62

Yes, this person rightfully defended himself against a criminal in his own home with his own gun... MrScorpio Aug 2013 #28

Tell that, yourself, to all the Congressional Democrats who lost their seats after the AWB. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #33

Oh... That's all you got? MrScorpio Aug 2013 #44

No, happiness is having Democrats in the House and the Senate. You don't care? Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #46

Well then, explain to me how another AWB will affect shotguns? MrScorpio Aug 2013 #51

Why should anyone explain something to you? But since you asked, some shotguns are semi-automatics. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #55

I guess you don't have an answer MrScorpio Aug 2013 #56

You received your answer. SOME SHOTGUNS ARE SEMI-AUTOMATICS. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #60

Here is how the AWB would affect shotguns. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #149

When you absolutely, positively got to kill every Bambi and Thumper in the room... MrScorpio Aug 2013 #173

Or when you just want a modern ergonomic design.... aikoaiko Aug 2013 #183

Do you realize rrneck Aug 2013 #54

Man wins $5 million by purchasing two $20 lottery tickets! DanTex Aug 2013 #30

LOL, good point. And I prayed once and it worked. So take that atheists! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #34

Looks like Mr. Sniper Rifle is stirring the shit again. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #32

LOL, this post is not going well for you. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #36

Why? Do you want another AWB and a repeat of the results from the 1994 election? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #40

This week's score: 2 people save from a possible death vs. 20+ children/Adults killed? TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #37

Actually, you have no way of quantifying the number of criminals who have been DETERRED AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #45

Yeah, because someone drawing down on another person DOESN'T warrant a police report. TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #57

DETERRENCE does not require anyone "drawing down on another person." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #61

Really, Are you referring to Open Carry. Because how else does the deterrent get used? TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #65

Gun ownership for DETERRENCE against home invasions has nothing to do with your open carry strawman. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #66

So, if the gun is not trained on a person, they are deterred? TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #68

I suspect that's exactly how it goes down in a LOT of cases. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #63

Suspect with no proof. n/t TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #67

Well, obviously. It's not a provable assertion, either way. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #69

It's not plausable that a person aims a firearm at someone and the 'crime' doesn't warrant a report. TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #70

I completely disagree. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #73

It's been a pleasure for me too, Lizzie. I'm about to step out as well to a birthday party. TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #80

It is both plausible and likely. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #71

Not to the same extent though. TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #78

So let the guy rob someone else next time? Brilliant!! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #95

Neither do you. So what? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #93

I'm all for people owning shotguns. dorkulon Aug 2013 #43

I'm in favor of people not advocating for another AWB policy which is a proven loser for elections. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #52

Yeah, I'm not running for office, so I get to say what I think is true. dorkulon Aug 2013 #59

Of course, you get to say what you think is true. Other DUers can and have done so as well. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #64

1. Voluntary online polls are worthless in terms of actually measuring public opinion. dorkulon Aug 2013 #77

I do not view DU polls as worthless. Your mileage may vary. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #84

It's a matter of fact, not opinion. dorkulon Aug 2013 #143

LOL. Linking to gungeon polls? Might as well start posting links to FreeRepublic. DanTex Aug 2013 #94

Aren't the labels billh58 Aug 2013 #98

I think the burden is on the NRA to propose workable solutions for our gun homicide problem steve2470 Aug 2013 #76

Would you agree even if they proposed increasing prison time for gun-using criminals? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #79

I would agree with that steve2470 Aug 2013 #82

After the shooting in Newtown I felt our nation had an excellent opportunity ... spin Aug 2013 #110

thank you for a well thought out answer ! steve2470 Aug 2013 #112

Sad sad but true. (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #115

Rec for Jerome Mauderly ridding pintobean Aug 2013 #81

Great post Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #88

LOL n-t Logical Aug 2013 #92

Actually, the story billh58 Aug 2013 #90

Mr. Long was a dangerous man with or without that handgun. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #101

Do you have information pintobean Aug 2013 #104

What a pathetic post malaise Aug 2013 #99

About par for billh58 Aug 2013 #105

There is no "hard-core Gungeoneer vocal minority." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #107

These laughable "polls" billh58 Aug 2013 #111

"...right-wing Gungeon". Another evidence-free pronunciamento friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #120

Personally I believe the heading on this is misleading. life long demo Aug 2013 #124

"after stealing a gun in a home burglary" 0rganism Aug 2013 #127

So blame the victim of robbery. What other victims make themselves accessible The Straight Story Aug 2013 #142

Securing a deadly weapon is important, don't you think? ecstatic Aug 2013 #169

So what you are saying is people who see one are tempted and victims are partially to blame The Straight Story Aug 2013 #170

Let's see if we can get on the same page ecstatic Aug 2013 #179

I'm in complete agreement with you. wild bird Aug 2013 #186

Not exclusively, no. 0rganism Aug 2013 #189

Well then, looks like things are covered then The Straight Story Aug 2013 #191

So he had a gun in his home tblue Aug 2013 #130

First story that you've read in months? Ok, try this: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #139

Guns and ammo in the hands of civilians is a bad thing. ileus Aug 2013 #131

You realize that comes off as extremely un-democratic and totalitarian right? NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #138

At least two lives saved.. ileus Aug 2013 #140

He is accused of shooting Taylor County deputy Sunday night after stealing a gun in a home burglary valerief Aug 2013 #151

No, the "home gun" DID NOT start "the deaths." The criminal did. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #152

One death, not deaths. pintobean Aug 2013 #162

I despise how the Gungeonites have been given free reign Trajan Aug 2013 #153

A mark of a liberal is respect for freedom of speech. How do you think that you fit? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #154

yes ... right wingers should have full free speech rights in this private forum Trajan Aug 2013 #187

Defending civil rights is a liberal position. Right-wingers take them away. nt NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #188

does that go for the "grabber" Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #163

It would be interesting to see who starts more GD gun threads. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #182

Anyone else notice that the gunhumper... 99Forever Aug 2013 #155

"Gunhumper?" flvegan Aug 2013 #156

Funny... 99Forever Aug 2013 #165

Funny... flvegan Aug 2013 #167

Neither is "gun-grabber" Orrex Aug 2013 #171

"grabber" doesn't suggest that anyone pintobean Aug 2013 #172

"Gunhumper" latches onto well-established sexual imagery Orrex Aug 2013 #175

Personally, I don't care for that one, either...and I don't use it. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #181

Funny... 99Forever Aug 2013 #174

Consider it a time-sever. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #180

Anyone else notice that fact-free personal attacks serve no purpose, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #157

You mean like calling someone "ignorant and stupid" in order to dodge their argument? DanTex Aug 2013 #158

Falsely claiming that "the only time a gun can be counted ..." is not an argument. IT'S A FALSEHOOD. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #159

Please point me to the part of the OP where you acknowledge that self-defense shootings DanTex Aug 2013 #161

Seems you omitted something pintobean Aug 2013 #168

Yes. I always notice the name calling. pintobean Aug 2013 #160

correct Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #164

I notice the armed with intent. 99Forever Aug 2013 #166

people find arguing with gungeoneers pointless Skittles Aug 2013 #177

you really do not get it, do you? Skittles Aug 2013 #176

What I get is liberals have divergent views, liquor prohibition didn't work, the passage of the AWB AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #184

I am SICK, SICK, SICK of gun humpers Skittles Aug 2013 #185