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Cal Carpenter

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203. No, that is not what I said

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:00 PM

Aug 2013

I was just questioning the OP's logic. If he was carrying stolen and classified materials and this is a fact (as the OP implies) they surely wouldn't have simply released him.

I wonder why, though, you are attributing my comment to outrage and attacking my ability to reason. I have barely posted in the last few weeks, and I can't even remember if I've ever posted about this Snowden/NSA stuff. You're just being nasty for no reason. Talk about a logic fail.

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So Miranda Was Carrying Stolen, Classified Material. How SHOCKING He Was Detained. [View all] KittyWampus Aug 2013 OP

How could the reporter know what was on the drives? Bonobo Aug 2013 #1

Maybe Assange/Poitras set him up. LOL! KittyWampus Aug 2013 #3

= "I don't know and I don't care!" Bonobo Aug 2013 #7

You seem obsessed with maps, what a strange non sequitor. I post something relevant KittyWampus Aug 2013 #9

Really? Bonobo Aug 2013 #14

I'm obsessed with maps? Bonobo Aug 2013 #17

Lol I hadn't seen that. dkf Aug 2013 #31

Bam! Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #188

He isn't even using the "right" map!!! Talk about "too clever by half..." MADem Aug 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #143

Greenwald is the one saying it was on the drives Egnever Aug 2013 #4

Where did he say that? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #10

um... Egnever Aug 2013 #21

I don't see anywhere where it states there were stolen documents being transported. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #28

It must suck to be shown to be wrong with your own quote. Bonobo Aug 2013 #35

Pardon me? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #53

He was talking about your post to the other poster HangOnKids Aug 2013 #57

Ok, it is Waaay past my bedtime. LOL Thanks. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #60

I am referring to Egnever being shown wrong with the quote he/she supplied. Bonobo Aug 2013 #58

. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #64

I am cracking up HangOnKids Aug 2013 #72

I just woke up and am drinking my coffee reading this. Puglover Aug 2013 #152

What is wrong with what Egnever quoted? pnwmom Aug 2013 #139

Nowhere does it say "stolen" or "classified." reusrename Aug 2013 #145

Thanks for clearing everything up. pnwmom Aug 2013 #172

Egnever was pretty clear and dead on. The fact that some here appear to have misunderstood that very Number23 Aug 2013 #207

What do you think this means? pnwmom Aug 2013 #138

Ummmm, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. Bonobo Aug 2013 #30

LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #37

Nope, just saying that your post #4 above is a misread. Bonobo Aug 2013 #39

You're right they were just trying to be mean to him Egnever Aug 2013 #44

I understand. You are angry because I showed that you cannot read well. Bonobo Aug 2013 #49

Amused at your flailing would be more on target Egnever Aug 2013 #71

Anyway, your assertion of #4 above was proven false. Bonobo Aug 2013 #75

But the TROVE HangOnKids Aug 2013 #77

You believe the British government? AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #109

Believe them about what? Egnever Aug 2013 #119

No arrest AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #189

But the TROVE Gawd please respect the TROVE HangOnKids Aug 2013 #47

You got to respect the trove! Rex Aug 2013 #116

Hey the bake and shake from the TROVE is delish! n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #118

SO are the trove brownies! Rex Aug 2013 #121

"documents related to investigation into government surveillance" joshcryer Aug 2013 #38

Lots o people encrypt things that are not stolen, Josh. Bonobo Aug 2013 #45

I'll await GG's clarification. joshcryer Aug 2013 #51

I think you believe that Bonobo Aug 2013 #56

I do see things in shades of gray. joshcryer Aug 2013 #68

Empty your cup, Josh. Bonobo Aug 2013 #73

Could you be less snarky? joshcryer Aug 2013 #78

Well...he's able to post pictures on DU Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #82

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Aug 2013 #125

Game. Set. Match. Number23 Aug 2013 #208

Could be files containing legal argument -- discussions of the law on surveillance, on terrorism, JDPriestly Aug 2013 #137

that's sure alot of "could be's" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #185

Here's the NYT source: joshcryer Aug 2013 #22

Yup that's what I thought. Bonobo Aug 2013 #33

Very acute reading skills. Rex Aug 2013 #48

Every other sentence said "Greenwald said". Except for the one important sentence. Bonobo Aug 2013 #50

I'm not and I caught it on the first go around. Rex Aug 2013 #59

Some seem occupied with removing crow feathers from between their teeth. Bonobo Aug 2013 #69

Plus the NYT doesn't have much in the way of trust. Rex Aug 2013 #85

They didn't catch it because they didn't want to. Marr Aug 2013 #100

Actually I will give some Dur's the benefit of the doubt. Rex Aug 2013 #106

Got any hairs you want to split? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #140

Three lines ending in "Greenwald said"? joshcryer Aug 2013 #55

Editing IS my day job. Bonobo Aug 2013 #62

So you're saying the NYT lied? joshcryer Aug 2013 #70

No, I never said that. Bonobo Aug 2013 #79

The NYT is making the claim. joshcryer Aug 2013 #84

Is it your belief that NYT reporters never work to help the govt.'s case a bit? Bonobo Aug 2013 #87

Nope, but Charlie Savage has cred. joshcryer Aug 2013 #90

I cannot judge as to his credibility. Bonobo Aug 2013 #96

But Bodie can't spell. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #194

No, Bonobo has a very good point. Recursion Aug 2013 #114

It was kinda obvious, but you believe whatever you want to. Rex Aug 2013 #67

I have no reason to believe the NYT interviewers are lying. joshcryer Aug 2013 #74

True time will tell if this is a stunt or actual Rex Aug 2013 #80

"trove of materials provided by Mr. Snowde" could mean anything. joshcryer Aug 2013 #86

The point is hat we have an unsubstantiated claim and I don't see what is wrong with me Bonobo Aug 2013 #89

Fair enough. joshcryer Aug 2013 #91

I can't understand that; that person is like the second most watched person in the Rex Aug 2013 #99

Poitras has been given free reign to travel the world. joshcryer Aug 2013 #107

Then GG is looking to distract for some other reason Rex Aug 2013 #120

Poitras cannot even safely "come home" to the USA HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #155

Poitras is regularly hassled when she travels. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #174

Why do I keep seeing people saying "sending his loved one" as if Miranda isn't an adult? cui bono Aug 2013 #127

Good catch (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #112

Perhaps you should post a TRUTHFUL OP to counter the lies. This OP should be deleted by the mods chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #157

Do you have a link to support your statement? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #135

None other than the NYT article linked in this thread somewhere Egnever Aug 2013 #142

At best . . . at worst. We shall have to wait and see. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #144

Certainly possible Egnever Aug 2013 #146

This still makes no sense to me Recursion Aug 2013 #2

File sizes were too large to email, I imagine. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #5

Well, I mean put them on an SCP server somewheret Recursion Aug 2013 #23

Only reason to do it in person is fear of being "traced." joshcryer Aug 2013 #42

What if he didn't want his next story to be scooped or revealed before he was ready? Bonobo Aug 2013 #94

You can encyrypt over the internet. joshcryer Aug 2013 #97

That is fair. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #101

I dont think Greenwald is as bright as people think he is Egnever Aug 2013 #6

Well, he could always play the big "I'm not intimidated" Cha Aug 2013 #16

I think he was told incorrect information. joshcryer Aug 2013 #27

I am sure given the nature of the whole story Egnever Aug 2013 #54

It explains why he involved his partner at all. joshcryer Aug 2013 #61

Are you still up? ha! I am one of those surprised that snappyturtle Aug 2013 #34

Well I am sure he thought it was safer Egnever Aug 2013 #41

I know the feeling about the laptop! Second night in a row!..nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #52

Then why wasn't he arrested? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #8

+1 to both points. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #12

Do you believe Greenwald would testify against his non-journalist partner? joshcryer Aug 2013 #19

Then why on Earth do you think Greenwald told the reporter there were stolen docs on there? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #81

Heresay, he's a lawyer, he knows that much. joshcryer Aug 2013 #95

Doesn't explain why he would tell a reporter that. Come on now. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Aug 2013 #131

#25 below seems to explain this. They confiscated the thumb drives but probably are working on stevenleser Aug 2013 #182

I'm sure they'll be able to pick him up in Brazil. (not) Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #186

Interesting Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #11

If the files are encrypted, how would they know? tinrobot Aug 2013 #13

Lot of bullshit is what it is. Bonobo Aug 2013 #15

Magic 8 ball. n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #40

They have his electronics, it's not hard to place something on it in order NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #183

There is no evidence that Miranda was carrying stolen docs. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #18

... Whisp Aug 2013 #43

For clarity's sake - where is this quote from? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #20

here Egnever Aug 2013 #25

Thanks - sounded like NYT stylebook to me sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #36

Smuggle illegal documents? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #113

This is not a direct quote. Where did it come from? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #65

Well the files were encrytped Egnever Aug 2013 #88

Ha ha. NOW you seem to get it. Bonobo Aug 2013 #92

Does it matter? Egnever Aug 2013 #103

Britain is now empowered to investigate crimes against the US? AngryAmish Aug 2013 #191

If he was potentially guilty of ANYTHING, he would not have been released. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #110

Bazinga! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #115

As a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that many of my clients thought that very msanthrope Aug 2013 #158

How many of those were under the terrorism laws? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #160

The terrorism laws of the UK? None. Terrorism laws here? Quite a few. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #161

Then I pity your clients. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #164

Oh, I've never had a client convicted of a terrorism charge, and very few actually went to trial on msanthrope Aug 2013 #165

That's very likely becaiuse you' ve never had a client charged with terrorism DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #195

Oh, I have.....you'd be surprised how many DAs think adding on a terrorism count or msanthrope Aug 2013 #196

Former print journalist here: really piss-poor copy editing at the NYTimes is what I HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #168

So he was arrested for theft, then. Thanks for link, this is the first I heard of this. DU rocks! freshwest Aug 2013 #104

NYT just dropped it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #32

Mercy me. Well, I assume they read him his Miranda rights at least. Hekate Aug 2013 #24

Yeeehaaa! jberryhill Aug 2013 #46

Viva the fruitarian revolution! freshwest Aug 2013 #129

LOL Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #63

Don't give up your day job HangOnKids Aug 2013 #105

Oh hey, it's you again. Hekate Aug 2013 #122

Yeah, that one was just lying there. I wouldn't have been able to resist it, either! freshwest Aug 2013 #204

What information? And, why is it classified? By whom? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #26

Doesn't bother me. I hope he smuggled the rest of the stolen documents back to Brazil in his shorts limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #29

And if you're carrying stolen classified info Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #66

Did they arrest him? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #108

Was British airport security tipped off by the DEA or the IRS through NSA surveillance? OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #93

They wouldn't have to Egnever Aug 2013 #111

Riiiiight AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #102

Exactly. progressoid Aug 2013 #117

When they recover the stolen material and the person has nothing else they need? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #123

But if he broke a law, he should have been arrested. progressoid Aug 2013 #124

He might not have known what he had. sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #126

British beefeaters don't wan't to get into it with Brazil. Trade makes strange bedfellows. freshwest Aug 2013 #136

All they have to do is email the documents AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #190

Why do you post this in a tone that sounds like you are just looking for a way to condemn GG? cui bono Aug 2013 #128

I keep that one around just for entertainment purposes Skittles Aug 2013 #132

She's Beyond Sick/Tired Of Being Called An "Authoritarian NSA Apologist" Dr. Strange Aug 2013 #162

LOLOL Skittles Aug 2013 #130

HOW EVEN MORE SHOCKING HE WAS RELEASED! :-| n/t DeSwiss Aug 2013 #133

Oh dear! Rex Aug 2013 #141

It is ironic because Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #166

Do you have a link? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #134

No, what's shocking is how fucking abusive and incompetent these two governments are. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #147

How shocking that someone defends the MIC/Security apparatchik hobbit709 Aug 2013 #148

I am not surprised Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #163

Once again we have DUers defending an attack on freedom and the press..... bowens43 Aug 2013 #149

Not stolen, under English law (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #150

What a little terrorist. morningfog Aug 2013 #151

DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2013 #153

Yet, Miranda was let go. So much for carrying stolen classified material neverforget Aug 2013 #209

Why wasn't he charged, then, if he was smuggling stolen items? Cal Carpenter Aug 2013 #154

That's fair comment dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #156

Miranda is a citizen of Brazil - TBF Aug 2013 #171

I hope Brazil surrounds the British embassy in Brasilia, declares all its UK personnel HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #175

So you think that no one can be detained unless they are guilty? treestar Aug 2013 #180

Some people have had that privilege, huh. freshwest Aug 2013 #198

No, that is not what I said Cal Carpenter Aug 2013 #203

Not necessarily. I've had clients think that because they were released from their primary contact msanthrope Aug 2013 #181

Comments number 25 and 158 seem to explain that. stevenleser Aug 2013 #184

I've been laughing since I read this yesterday. Seriously? He sent his partner*** msanthrope Aug 2013 #159

I'm reserving my laughter for when your spouse or partner is detained without HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #173

I've never sent my husband to do my job, but if I did expect my husband to courier documents stolen msanthrope Aug 2013 #176

Don't expect me to speak up on your behalf when your husband is HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #177

I'll let him know that he's lost your support. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #179

Compassion and outrage dependent on hero status here, I guess. It's the internet... freshwest Aug 2013 #200

This OP has a "Dead or Alive" feel to it....... marmar Aug 2013 #167

They've just started ... TBF Aug 2013 #169

LOL. marmar Aug 2013 #170

Hardly the stuff of martyrdom! JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #178

Leave Glennn alone!!111!! freshwest Aug 2013 #206

Is it terrorism? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #187

Clearly it is. AngryAmish Aug 2013 #192

K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #193

Yes, it is shocking that he was detained under TERRORIST ACT. ocpagu Aug 2013 #197

still Beyond Sick/Tired Of Being Called An "Authoritarian NSA Apologist? MisterP Aug 2013 #199

I know, right? nt Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #201

This has been thoroughly debunked, as a steaming pile of BS. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #202

Welcome to the Charlie Savage punked club. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #205