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In reply to the discussion: David Miranda was employed as a messenger to carry stolen government documents. [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,411 posts)74. In violation of American law, not German, British or Brazilian
Miranda is a Brazilian citizen, who was en route from Germany to Brazil via the UK. Copies of the documents are on the DU servers, and in millions of computer caches around the world. American law does not apply.
'Untoward'? They are 'untoward' if you support an authoritarian state. If you accept that Snowden has started a vital conversation about the US surveillance state (one which even President Obama claims to welcome, though I think he's lying about that), there's nothing 'untoward' about them at all.
If you think they are 'untoward', you are on the wrong side, morally. I expected better of you, sir.
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David Miranda was employed as a messenger to carry stolen government documents. [View all]
ProSense
Aug 2013
OP
Geez. It was reported in the NYT who got it from Greenwald. Is that "proof" enough for you?
MADem
Aug 2013
#59
You'll need to prove it. There are three attributions to Greenwald in that paragraph.
MADem
Aug 2013
#94
I Expect, Sir, England Has Laws Against Obtaining Classified Information Without Authorization
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#82
It's not UK classified information; and none of Greenwald, Poitras or Miranda
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#89
It Is Quite Possible, Sir, Ms. Poitras And Mr. Greenwald Broke Laws In Obtaining The Material
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#92
Now we've realised the police have changed the circumstances under which they invoke
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#114
By That Style, Sir, You Support The Paulite/Randite Looting Side Of The Question
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#143
It was you who started trying to define this by which side had some Republicans on
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#148
My Statement, Sir, Is That Snowden Engaged In A Political Operation To Harm President Obama
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#152
Is suspected possession of stolen goods against British or Brazillian law?
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2013
#111
The bottom line is this--there's no law against having an opinion and expressing it.
MADem
Aug 2013
#221
You and the Magistrate have given me the first glimmer of hope I've seen on this web site in months
Number23
Aug 2013
#216
The Magistrate hasn't changed. Some people here at DU have, but not The Magistrate.
MADem
Aug 2013
#177
I remember Stevie Wonder: 5 Companies That Make Money By Keeping Americans Terrified of Terror...
Octafish
Aug 2013
#23
What a profound question. Search my journal and let me know what you need help with:
Octafish
Aug 2013
#26
Like the Inner Party in 1984, they think they are safe, in fact immune
Puzzledtraveller
Aug 2013
#166
If they found what you claim they found why wasn't he arrested? That article you link does not
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#57
So you don't trust Glenn Greenwald's word? He's the source of "what was David carrying."
MADem
Aug 2013
#67
Exactly!!! I am just astounded at how some wade in, fists-a-flailing, when they haven't even read
MADem
Aug 2013
#93
He does not specify which documents where given and whether or not they were stolen.
EOTE
Aug 2013
#169
I tell you what--you believe whatever you need to believe to get through your day.
MADem
Aug 2013
#170
Ah, so so long as the government has a reasonably good suspicion someone's carrying stolen documents
EOTE
Aug 2013
#172
You're quite desperate for a fight. You're not going to get it from me, because you don't
MADem
Aug 2013
#188
I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for information. If you don't have it, that's fine.
EOTE
Aug 2013
#194
I did not make a claim that wasn't backed up. You just didn't like what I said, so you're badgering
MADem
Aug 2013
#195
OK. I'll ask again. Where does it say that Miranda was carrying stolen documents?
EOTE
Aug 2013
#196
You can't be bothered to follow the news, so I can't be bothered to continue this charade. nt
MADem
Aug 2013
#200
LOL. I don't follow the news because I ask you to provide a smidgeon of evidence to back up your
EOTE
Aug 2013
#201
+1. The defense of the theft is 'If we win, it won't be illegal, as we'll make the rules then...'
freshwest
Aug 2013
#141
If that was the case he would have been arrested. He was not arrested. This indicates they had
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#28
Greenwald: Brazil’s Intervention Likely Kept Partner from Being Charged Under UK Terrorism Law
ProSense
Aug 2013
#123
You should clearly state in your post that this is nothing more than your opinion.
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2013
#40
You Are, Of Course, Sir, Referring To Your Own Comment, When You Speak Of Obvious Trolling...?
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#52
What Is Obvious, Sir, Is That You Are Being Disruptive, By The Judgement Of The Community
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#108
That The Community Views You As Disruptive And Offensive, Sir, Is A Matter Of Plain Fact
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#113
It Means, Sir, Solid Majorities Among Persons Selected At Random, To Represent The Community
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#122
Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir
DesMoinesDem
Aug 2013
#132
Would you have posted all that you have if there was a President Romney in office
Puzzledtraveller
Aug 2013
#73
You said you wouldn't have posted your OP if Romney were in office rather than Obama.
EOTE
Aug 2013
#192
But then they'd have to kill the high school student, torch their digs and send out body doubles.
randome
Aug 2013
#105
A List Of Things To Say, Ma'am, Like Calling What People Who Disagree With You Say 'Talking Points'
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#115