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cali

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47. let me ask you what I asked the OP: How do YOU or she know what

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:29 PM

Aug 2013

Mr. Miranda was carrying? She's making the claim that that he was carrying stolen documents without a shred of evidence and you're going along with it.

not very subtle or nuanced of you, but it's amusing the heck out of me to see your admiring posts.

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David Miranda was employed as a messenger to carry stolen government documents. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

And he wasn't charged with a crime because he's so handsome cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #1

You wanted him "charged with a crime"? ProSense Aug 2013 #5

Yes. Is it really so hard to accept that they got NOTHING. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #16

You have a rather quaint notion of information as a tangible object. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #18

You have no point. ProSense Aug 2013 #29

Oh, so it is prior-restraint of publication you are cheering? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #37

Oh please. The outrage that this was an innocent person being detained ProSense Aug 2013 #61

Oh, so it is prior-restraint of publication you are cheering? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #65

I'm "cheering" the apparent melt down related to the initial hype. ProSense Aug 2013 #70

So you are cheering the idea of prior restraint? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #139

In my experience there is no logic allowed in these types of threads KurtNYC Aug 2013 #69

Just dreeeaamy! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #144

But if looks could kill. rawr Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #220

That Does Seem The Case, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2013 #2

If that was the case and he was carrying stolen materials cali Aug 2013 #15

They probably haven't yet determined what is in the materials. pnwmom Aug 2013 #140

He wasn't arrested so apparently that's not the case. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #19

Not Necessarily, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #24

Or maybe no evidence to arrest Ma'am. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #90

You seem very comfortable with this detention- unlike many cali Aug 2013 #33

Rights Or Wrongs Of This Aside, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2013 #43

let me ask you what I asked the OP: How do YOU or she know what cali Aug 2013 #47

Geez. It was reported in the NYT who got it from Greenwald. Is that "proof" enough for you? MADem Aug 2013 #59

catch up grasswire Aug 2013 #83

You'll need to prove it. There are three attributions to Greenwald in that paragraph. MADem Aug 2013 #94

Because it's stupid not to expect abuse of power. DirkGently Aug 2013 #126

Especially When You Are Engaged In Tweaking It, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #127

No, Sir - they are not 'stolen' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #53

Now, Ma'am, You Are Just Being Silly The Magistrate Aug 2013 #63

+1 nt MADem Aug 2013 #68

In violation of American law, not German, British or Brazilian muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #74

I Expect, Sir, England Has Laws Against Obtaining Classified Information Without Authorization The Magistrate Aug 2013 #82

It's not UK classified information; and none of Greenwald, Poitras or Miranda muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #89

It Is Quite Possible, Sir, Ms. Poitras And Mr. Greenwald Broke Laws In Obtaining The Material The Magistrate Aug 2013 #92

+1,000 nt MADem Aug 2013 #109

Now we've realised the police have changed the circumstances under which they invoke muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #114

If This Usage Surprised Them, Sir, They Are Not Fit For Their Jobs The Magistrate Aug 2013 #120

This isn't about us, sir, it's about freedom muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #121

Actually, Sir, It Is about The Coming Elections The Magistrate Aug 2013 #124

Conveninent to blame anything on elections within 18 months muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #133

Campaigning Never Ceases Here, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #134

So you're supporting the Cheney/Boehner side muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #137

By That Style, Sir, You Support The Paulite/Randite Looting Side Of The Question The Magistrate Aug 2013 #143

It was you who started trying to define this by which side had some Republicans on muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #148

My Statement, Sir, Is That Snowden Engaged In A Political Operation To Harm President Obama The Magistrate Aug 2013 #152

Is suspected possession of stolen goods against British or Brazillian law? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #111

As I've pointed out, there was no theft under English law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #117

Don't quit your day job now... MADem Aug 2013 #173

Nothing about 'theft', 'stolen' or 'steal' there muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #174

Whatever gets you through the night, there, Muriel! MADem Aug 2013 #176

I hope you're not a solicitor MFrohike Aug 2013 #213

I don't need to be a solicitor... MADem Aug 2013 #214

I honestly have no idea MFrohike Aug 2013 #215

Look, in USA we have laws against theft. MADem Aug 2013 #217

You're right MFrohike Aug 2013 #219

The bottom line is this--there's no law against having an opinion and expressing it. MADem Aug 2013 #221

You and the Magistrate have given me the first glimmer of hope I've seen on this web site in months Number23 Aug 2013 #216

Thank you. I think if we just refuse to descend to the level of those who would MADem Aug 2013 #218

this x 1000 sigmasix Aug 2013 #160

a lot of hyperbole Capn Sunshine Aug 2013 #156

Snowden is a whistleblower muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #159

You say, "Copies of these are fruit of a poisoned tree"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #136

The Phrase Is Biblical in Origin, Sir, If Recollection Serves The Magistrate Aug 2013 #145

I do admire your ability to remain civil... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #150

Actually, Sir, There Have Been Statements From The Persons Involved The Magistrate Aug 2013 #155

I am not aware of any statement from Greenwald or Poitras.. ljm2002 Aug 2013 #158

This is the hill upon which you've decided to stand? Really? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #146

The Magistrate hasn't changed. Some people here at DU have, but not The Magistrate. MADem Aug 2013 #177

I'm a little disappointed with you, Sir. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #184

Always defending the Police State Octafish Aug 2013 #3

hey Octafish. I have a package... Whisp Aug 2013 #10

I remember Stevie Wonder: 5 Companies That Make Money By Keeping Americans Terrified of Terror... Octafish Aug 2013 #23

Over these years I've agreed with a lot of what you say, Octafish. Whisp Aug 2013 #50

Truth is what Democracy craves. Octafish Aug 2013 #62

I'm adding that to my journal for permanent reference. robertpaulsen Aug 2013 #128

I love you, Brother robertpaulsen! Octafish Aug 2013 #183

What is the deepest most important conspiracy you know about that we don't? snooper2 Aug 2013 #17

What a profound question. Search my journal and let me know what you need help with: Octafish Aug 2013 #26

Like the Inner Party in 1984, they think they are safe, in fact immune Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #166

As the faithful at ENRON... Octafish Aug 2013 #182

Why wasn't he detained in Berlin? leftstreet Aug 2013 #4

really? you're actually claiming to know what he was carrying? cali Aug 2013 #6

I understand it's supposed to be Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #7

Why wasn't he arrested then? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #8

Would you have felt better if he had been? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #12

answer the question instead of trying to weasel cali Aug 2013 #20

They didn't want to arrest him? They confiscated the documents? ProSense Aug 2013 #34

You should feel bad that he wasn't ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #21

He was not arrested because what you are saying is not the truth. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #31

And ProSense Aug 2013 #35

If they found what you claim they found why wasn't he arrested? That article you link does not Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #57

If he was breaking the law, yes. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #54

Because carrying improperly distributed classified material isn't a crime? Recursion Aug 2013 #165

This makes zero sense. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #205

You're imagining a theoretical world Recursion Aug 2013 #209

Miranda was let go Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #9

But the big question. Did he have a healthplan? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #11

So if I have this on my Kindle I should be detained? (more) cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #13

+1 Safetykitten Aug 2013 #14

Genius eom LearningCurve Aug 2013 #22

What a great argument! ProSense Aug 2013 #32

Garnering the dreaded "refutation by LOL" = Winning cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #38

It's the ProSense pattern NuclearDem Aug 2013 #103

Indeed... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #180

what an exceedingly lame refutation of said argument cali Aug 2013 #39

Argument: Well someone has a book titled, "The Pentagon Papers." ProSense Aug 2013 #45

why are you weaseling out of the question you've been asked multiple times? cali Aug 2013 #49

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #56

You keep posting that, but it does nothing to support your assertions. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #60

She believes that by repeating it enough times it becomes fact LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #157

the sentence included is not attributed to Greenwald. grasswire Aug 2013 #91

So you don't trust Glenn Greenwald's word? He's the source of "what was David carrying." MADem Aug 2013 #67

The denials and name calling for acknowledging this fact is a thing to watch. ProSense Aug 2013 #78

Exactly!!! I am just astounded at how some wade in, fists-a-flailing, when they haven't even read MADem Aug 2013 #93

Where in that does Greenwald say the documents were stolen? EOTE Aug 2013 #163

He says he got them from Snowden, and Snowden admits that he stole them in that MADem Aug 2013 #167

He does not specify which documents where given and whether or not they were stolen. EOTE Aug 2013 #169

I tell you what--you believe whatever you need to believe to get through your day. MADem Aug 2013 #170

Ah, so so long as the government has a reasonably good suspicion someone's carrying stolen documents EOTE Aug 2013 #172

Let's try this one more time, since you plainly didn't read what I wrote. MADem Aug 2013 #175

Your "argument" was that Greenwald used Miranda to move stolen documents. EOTE Aug 2013 #185

You need to check yourself, and I'm uninterested in your mating habits, sorry. MADem Aug 2013 #186

I'm just as capable as you are of making unsubstantiated claims. EOTE Aug 2013 #187

You're quite desperate for a fight. You're not going to get it from me, because you don't MADem Aug 2013 #188

I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for information. If you don't have it, that's fine. EOTE Aug 2013 #194

I did not make a claim that wasn't backed up. You just didn't like what I said, so you're badgering MADem Aug 2013 #195

OK. I'll ask again. Where does it say that Miranda was carrying stolen documents? EOTE Aug 2013 #196

Here ya go. MADem Aug 2013 #197

Here ya go. EOTE Aug 2013 #199

You can't be bothered to follow the news, so I can't be bothered to continue this charade. nt MADem Aug 2013 #200

LOL. I don't follow the news because I ask you to provide a smidgeon of evidence to back up your EOTE Aug 2013 #201

Yep, and you have a swell day, now! Do some reading, why don't you? nt MADem Aug 2013 #202

Yep, and you have a swell day constructing your own reality. EOTE Aug 2013 #203

He admits no such thing. EOTE Aug 2013 #198

Not just a book, but STOLEN GOVERNMENT INFORMATION! EOTE Aug 2013 #162

This is what you've been reduced to? EOTE Aug 2013 #161

Is he paid by the TROVE? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #25

Apparenly nothing is illegal in the world of make-believe. tridim Aug 2013 #27

What law did he break? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #55

+1. The defense of the theft is 'If we win, it won't be illegal, as we'll make the rules then...' freshwest Aug 2013 #141

If that was the case he would have been arrested. He was not arrested. This indicates they had Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #28

+1 Apparently the obvious is lost Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #36

funny how the Labour Party is outraged about it. cali Aug 2013 #42

Well that isn't far from the truth Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #95

Greenwald: Brazil’s Intervention Likely Kept Partner from Being Charged Under UK Terrorism Law ProSense Aug 2013 #123

You do NOT know those documents were stolen. fasttense Aug 2013 #30

You should clearly state in your post that this is nothing more than your opinion. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #40

When did you see the docs? Coyotl Aug 2013 #41

More lame BS on a subject of which you know nothing. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #44

Obvious trolling is obvious. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #46

You Are, Of Course, Sir, Referring To Your Own Comment, When You Speak Of Obvious Trolling...? The Magistrate Aug 2013 #52

Says someone... one_voice Aug 2013 #58

And you just happened to look this up? hobbit709 Aug 2013 #66

Yeah, I looked at their... one_voice Aug 2013 #71

The irony of it all. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #72

Yep, I'm a thorn in the side of the propaganda machine. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #75

You're not a thorn... one_voice Aug 2013 #79

Nope, I'm definitely a thorn calling out the obvious propagandists. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #84

As You Said Above, Sir: Obvious Trolling Is Obvious The Magistrate Aug 2013 #99

Yep, it is obvious. I'm calling out the propagandists. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #106

What Is Obvious, Sir, Is That You Are Being Disruptive, By The Judgement Of The Community The Magistrate Aug 2013 #108

We'll have to agree, Sir, to disagree, Sir. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #112

That The Community Views You As Disruptive And Offensive, Sir, Is A Matter Of Plain Fact The Magistrate Aug 2013 #113

Nope, it means a few people, Sir, on a jury, Sir, DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #118

It Means, Sir, Solid Majorities Among Persons Selected At Random, To Represent The Community The Magistrate Aug 2013 #122

You can't please all the people all the time, Sir, Sir, Sir. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #130

Always Fun To Fight A Fella Leads With His Face, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #131

Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir, Sir DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #132

Ha ha ha! Love that film clip! MADem Aug 2013 #168

You'll drive any stagecoach off the cliff whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #48

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #51

Oh great, More Propaganda from NonSense AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #64

"Propaganda from NonSense...It seems that NonSense" ProSense Aug 2013 #76

Nope. ocpagu Aug 2013 #81

Who are you, and ProSense Aug 2013 #97

I'm a DUer. ocpagu Aug 2013 #104

Would you have posted all that you have if there was a President Romney in office Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #73

No. Now what? Why are you upset that I posted it? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #77

So you admit that if there was a President Romney or Mccain Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #80

I'm amazed you got such a frank and succinct answer there. Marr Aug 2013 #88

LOL! ProSense Aug 2013 #96

I agree Marr Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #100

So you're merely defending this bullshit because it's a democrat doing it? EOTE Aug 2013 #164

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #190

You said you wouldn't have posted your OP if Romney were in office rather than Obama. EOTE Aug 2013 #192

Yes, see my previous comment. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #193

You squirt out links like an octopus squirts ink. Marr Aug 2013 #204

Nice speculation, I guess that could be true. Rex Aug 2013 #85

I guess there really is nothing you won't defend. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #86

Can i ask a (probably) silly question? SwissTony Aug 2013 #87

You'd have to ProSense Aug 2013 #98

Yeah, but the reports coming out are contradictory. SwissTony Aug 2013 #102

But then they'd have to kill the high school student, torch their digs and send out body doubles. randome Aug 2013 #105

Having your partner detained for 9 hours SwissTony Aug 2013 #107

Ah, the talking points have been distributed. Matariki Aug 2013 #101

What are they? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #110

A List Of Things To Say, Ma'am, Like Calling What People Who Disagree With You Say 'Talking Points' The Magistrate Aug 2013 #115

Ahh good to see OP is busy in service to the Homeland corporate state Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #125

Straight to the trashcan with this OP. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #116

But first, let me post an anouncement. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #119

It is important at this juncture to listen brisas2k Aug 2013 #129

Wow, you apologists are really grasping at straws! HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #135

You forgot Hitler's Nazis Hooptie. tridim Aug 2013 #142

"MLK had a dream.." Tweets regarding GG's hype Cha Aug 2013 #138

"David Miranda was employed as a messenger to carry..." MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #147

Do you need some knee pads? nt Incitatus Aug 2013 #149

is this an objective assessment? Enrique Aug 2013 #151

Some posters here on this very site may be employed JEB Aug 2013 #153

I guess as you see it, the Guardian, the NYT and the WaPo Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #154

..... TBF Aug 2013 #171

blah blah blah blah blah etc ...give it a rest. bowens43 Aug 2013 #178

Flawed analogy TomClash Aug 2013 #179

Nothing wrong with the analogy ProSense Aug 2013 #189

Of course it is flawed TomClash Aug 2013 #206

I think ProSense Aug 2013 #210

You miss the point, not me TomClash Aug 2013 #223

Nonsense...... Logical Aug 2013 #181

Your rebuttal is a cartoon? ProSense Aug 2013 #191

Most your OPs are a joke, what is the difference? Logical Aug 2013 #207

You're not obsessed with the cartoonist? ProSense Aug 2013 #208

If hte cartoonist posted 10 cartoons about the same fucking topic.... Logical Aug 2013 #211

Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #212

Good post. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #222