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stevenleser

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122. So many mistakes to correct. #1 - I announced on my show my refusal to work with Russian media until

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:53 AM

Aug 2013

Russia repeals its anti-gay law. http://www.democraticunderground.com/113730126

#2 - I apologized for saying bf and thanked the person for correcting me on that http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3487156

There isn't much left in your post after that.

I await your apology for hurling incorrect accusations at me.

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The game is over. Even Andrew Sullivan has jumped ship of the NSA and GCHQ. In Greenwald's defense [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

I don't know that the game is over ... LearningCurve Aug 2013 #1

Andrew Sullivan...meet the underside of the bus!!! Matt is currently changing the oil. Rex Aug 2013 #2

Oh please, most people foaming at the mouth over the NSA can't stand Sullivan. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #7

Yup, had no use for him... one_voice Aug 2013 #16

It is no big deal, he should be familiar with being under the bus by now. Rex Aug 2013 #24

Put me in the category of "foaming at the mouth" for forcing the NSA to adhere to the Constitution. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #64

Happily under the bus for "forcing the NSA to adhere to the Constitution." chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #114

Oh please, where on earth did you get the infantile notion that you have to love someone in sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

I see a lot of classic authoritarianism. The is a need to establish a hard and fast rhett o rick Aug 2013 #142

That's a good question. And since there are those who apparently think only in black and white terms sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #151

Another thing that usually stumps authoritarians is asking them to relate their rhett o rick Aug 2013 #154

That is why they have no credibility and why the support for Whistle Blowers is growing even in this sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #155

Only a sith deals in absolutes. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #177

No need to like Sully to agree with him on this issue, because Straight Society does Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #120

The thing is, its not about personalities. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #169

Why are you hating on A'murca?! truedelphi Aug 2013 #182

I know. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #186

the only pleasure I get from reading your defense of the surveillance state is Swagman Aug 2013 #173

Good one. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #34

Oh I am sure when he gushes about Obama again Rex Aug 2013 #50

I would quote Sherlock 'the game is afoot' Lifelong Protester Aug 2013 #3

Sorry. It's not a game. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #4

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #15

never mind... one_voice Aug 2013 #20

Glad to be on your nerves. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #165

Um... winning side? Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #183

What do you think is going to happen to Glenn? morningfog Aug 2013 #18

LOL! Pick a lane when it comes to Sullivan. Most people foaming at the mouth over the NSA don't like KittyWampus Aug 2013 #5

They will become Demotullivans BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #10

That is some black and white thinking don't you think? Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #37

thank you Mojorabbit kpete Aug 2013 #144

100 points for using the ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #52

"hair on fire" has evidently run it's course frylock Aug 2013 #164

Evidently - it was be nice to mix ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #170

Its funny. Almost like we have the ability to see shades of grey quakerboy Aug 2013 #106

lol! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #129

or just pick and choose from a wide variety of sources to that you hear only what you want to hear. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #159

Well, I would agree quakerboy Aug 2013 #174

When it comes to conservatives he seems to be one of the more sensible ones. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #160

I agree the law used to detain him is ridiculous Egnever Aug 2013 #6

And when the stories are saying he was transporting documents between Poitras and Greenwald... n/t sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #12

And theres that! Egnever Aug 2013 #19

If you like the NSA surveillance, then you don't like the publishing of the documents. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #99

I dislike the surveillance and the leaks Recursion Aug 2013 #110

Ms. Poitras knows better than to let him "transport" unencrypted documents HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #96

So because they're encrypted it's okay to smuggle them and he shouldn't be questioned? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #97

It'd be interesting to know how reliable Greenwald and Poitras's internet access has been muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #107

So what? I don't give a hoot who he talked with or visited. It's snappyturtle Aug 2013 #13

Well of course you dont Egnever Aug 2013 #17

I was referring to the detention of Miranda at Heathrow. What snappyturtle Aug 2013 #22

Ok lets see if we can nail this down Egnever Aug 2013 #25

Miranda isn't an idiot that's how. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #27

oh ok Egnever Aug 2013 #30

OH...my mistake! Didn't know there is a law against Miranda snappyturtle Aug 2013 #36

Hang out with people who traffic in stolen things and watch how often you and your dwelling are stevenleser Aug 2013 #40

I am assuming that is OK with you? And this searching snappyturtle Aug 2013 #53

I'm no expert in British law, but generally, when you transit airports, you agree to being searched stevenleser Aug 2013 #59

Ah the reporter from RT! I note, Steve, that you failed to correct the verbiage of the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #121

So many mistakes to correct. #1 - I announced on my show my refusal to work with Russian media until stevenleser Aug 2013 #122

Come on, tick tock... stevenleser Aug 2013 #133

OH MY GOD! are you REALLY going to defend this Steven??? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #54

If only they would have served a warrant. Rex Aug 2013 #62

Why would they serve a warrant? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #145

No deity needs to be involved. It's extremely straightforward. As someone else noted... stevenleser Aug 2013 #63

Does the water EVER get too heavy, Steven?? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #68

I always call 'em as I see 'em. This is very straightforward. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #72

I don't think the documents are 'stolen', under UK law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #108

he jumped the shark some time ago Skittles Aug 2013 #93

Except no one on your side has been able to refute my points on this. That suggests that your side stevenleser Aug 2013 #117

I see two sides, one calls Miranda very properly Greenwald's partner the other says Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #123

Still waiting for your apology for that and the other incorrect accusation stevenleser Aug 2013 #124

You call them 'boy friends' and 'bfs' over and over again in this thread. You should Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #128

The fact that your accusations are incorrect have been pointed out multiple times now. stevenleser Aug 2013 #130

"on my side"'??? Skittles Aug 2013 #163

"our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #89

Doesn't the water ever get too heavy to carry, Steven? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #185

Considerng GG has stated he carries the docs with him everywhere he goes Egnever Aug 2013 #41

That's just the point. If Miranda is a 'potential' co-conspirator snappyturtle Aug 2013 #49

Sorry I dont follow that logic Egnever Aug 2013 #56

Re-read this tomorrow. It's simply explained. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #65

There is no logic to follow. You didn't miss anything. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #70

Well apparently Greenwald isnt as bright as you thought Egnever Aug 2013 #90

Yes, that is interesting. How come Berlin didn't detain him? snappyturtle Aug 2013 #92

Why would they? Egnever Aug 2013 #95

Plus, few countries examine you closely on the way out. It's when you come in that they take a look stevenleser Aug 2013 #119

How can we make any comments about the content? snappyturtle Aug 2013 #138

Which is why you have to get at it to know. Which is why when he flew through an international stevenleser Aug 2013 #141

I will agree that the 'curious' had the ability to bully a traveler; snappyturtle Aug 2013 #148

As you noted earlier, ultimately no one is going to disagree with the ability of a country to search stevenleser Aug 2013 #149

He wasn't doing anything illegal in either country, but Germany doesn't have a law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #109

Is there some reason why a journalist should NOT carry their work related equipment with them sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #152

Sure AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #39

He chose to hang out with the co-conspirators of someone indicted for espionage stevenleser Aug 2013 #43

Right, right AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #44

LOL, because your scenario is the same thing. stevenleser Aug 2013 #48

LOL AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #57

Your analogy is apples and oranges, but you knew that. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #67

What an absurd framing that is. ljm2002 Aug 2013 #55

Once again... stevenleser Aug 2013 #76

Once again... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #83

Great. We agree on 99% of the facts of the matter. stevenleser Aug 2013 #87

Again, though... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #91

The only classification that would matter in this case is diplomat with diplomatic immunity. stevenleser Aug 2013 #116

Since we know this is about journalism... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #131

LOL, you forgot the sarcasm tag. stevenleser Aug 2013 #132

Mistake? You are up and down this thread calling them 'boys' and 'bf' and boyfriends Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #125

I had no idea and the moment it was pointed out to me I stopped. Still waiting for your apology stevenleser Aug 2013 #126

That's hilarious. You were told several times and persisted with the 'bf'. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #134

You've been shown that this is untrue, and I await your apology stevenleser Aug 2013 #136

I quoted you from this very thread. As true as it gets. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #139

This has been explained again and again. We both know you are wrong. stevenleser Aug 2013 #140

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #88

the "chose to hang out with..." canard is typically used by shitbags.. frylock Aug 2013 #166

Are you now, or have you ever been, an associate of a journalist? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #111

He plays one on Faux, like about everyone else there. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #150

Actually, I think he may only claim to be an ex-Democratic party officer and PR flack muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #153

He's a journalist? tazkcmo Aug 2013 #175

A spouse? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #146

Not hang out with an associate of Snowden (not Greenwald) that had access to documents and stevenleser Aug 2013 #147

Don't you just love the willy nilly acceptance of these snappyturtle Aug 2013 #60

There is no such thing as an illegal search when transiting international airports. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #69

I will concede, regretfully, that you are probably correct. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #86

People take laptops with them all the time when they travel. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #100

Not sure what your point is there Egnever Aug 2013 #101

What do you want to bet the documents have to do with the film being made on the topic of Snowden JDPriestly Aug 2013 #105

Right. Law enforcement should always trust a perps word and assume perps are too smart to do dumb stevenleser Aug 2013 #38

Wish you were posting more often. Nice to have someone trying to educate some of these lumpy Aug 2013 #98

The crime is the surveillance program, not the informing of the American people about the JDPriestly Aug 2013 #102

We can argue about that, but the person under indictment for espionage is Snowden. stevenleser Aug 2013 #118

you rethink all of this yet? snooper2 Aug 2013 #161

He wasn't arrested GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #181

Why do you call it a theft? another_liberal Aug 2013 #187

Filming a documentary has now become terrorism? reusrename Aug 2013 #21

It was never terrorism Egnever Aug 2013 #26

"nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with his connection to stolen classified docs" NealK Aug 2013 #80

The police says it was about terrorism muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #112

It is AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #35

There it is. I knew once the details came out there would be a good reason. stevenleser Aug 2013 #23

I wasn't aware he was charged with a crime. What crime was he snappyturtle Aug 2013 #31

Snowden has been indicted for espionage. Anyone meeting with him or his friends stevenleser Aug 2013 #33

Anyone meeting with him , Rumold Aug 2013 #47

Do you feel the same about Manning? AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #66

What same way? Who is meeting with Manning's friends? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #74

You know exactly what I mean AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #78

No, I don't. We're discussing a very specific issue here, one that doesnt have a parallel with stevenleser Aug 2013 #79

Got it AnalystInParadise Aug 2013 #84

Got it. You expect me to guess at the exact question you are asking. No thanks. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #85

Wow! That's a big leap. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #103

No it isn't. If you traffic in stolen goods or information that is what will happen to you and those stevenleser Aug 2013 #115

Traffic in stolen goods? And you call yourself a journalist? Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #176

three hops.. frylock Aug 2013 #167

Yea well you know those English Egnever Aug 2013 #32

But is it Terrorism? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #42

It's definitely a stretch in terms of that law (which as egnever notes is an odd one anyway) but... stevenleser Aug 2013 #45

You would think it was OK. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #46

I'm glad you are accustomed to the fact that I use good reasoned arguments. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #51

Actually, no. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #71

No one has been able to refute any of my points on Snowden/Manning/Greenwald/Assange yet. stevenleser Aug 2013 #77

You think this is fair muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #113

Thanks kpete....good tosee Sullivan take this stand. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #8

Wow. Fantastic statement of principle. Thank you Andrew Sullivan. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #9

Bush Sullivan: Bad. Obama Sullivan: Good. Greenwald Sullivan: Bad. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #11

So true, Sullivan only changes his mind MNBrewer Aug 2013 #14

Good point. aquart Aug 2013 #29

Sullivan is a conservative. Didn't he work for Margaret Thatcher? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #28

Sullivan has been a hard-core Obama supporter, so this is quite the development to note quinnox Aug 2013 #58

Sullivan is a conservative libertarian struggle4progress Aug 2013 #75

Andrew Sullivan endorsed Senator Barack Obama for the 2008 US President PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #94

Both things can be true at the same time. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #127

From your link: "... Sullivan describes himself as a conservative and is the author of struggle4progress Aug 2013 #157

It's sloppy of Sullivan to claim Miranda "detained ... because his partner embarrassed the American struggle4progress Aug 2013 #61

It's just a guess but I think the Guardian paying for the trip snappyturtle Aug 2013 #81

Is the game over or is it now afoot? Rex Aug 2013 #73

Can't stop the POLICE STATE ... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #82

"even?" treestar Aug 2013 #135

It's a strange kind of appeal to authority isn't it? So if Pat Buchanan came out in favor of GG and stevenleser Aug 2013 #137

k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #143

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #156

well if Andrew Sullivan is against it...then it MUST be wrong Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #158

NSA GHCQ and then we have BND, MAD, GRU,SVR, MSS Progressive dog Aug 2013 #162

I detest Sullivan, but have to admit, he's right here. closeupready Aug 2013 #168

Only when the NSA and DHS cease to exist is the game "over" Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #171

It's Andrew Sullivan vs. the President On the Road Aug 2013 #172

Gob-smacking, just bloody gob-smacking! another_liberal Aug 2013 #178

Andrew Sullivan is over. (BTW he supported the invasion of Iraq, too) uhnope Aug 2013 #179

I'm still pissed at him for being such an ass to Naomi Klein, but he has a point here: arcane1 Aug 2013 #180

The game is on.... zentrum Aug 2013 #184