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52. So, you think social security cuts and austerity would be less likely under

Reply to Ed Suspicious (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:54 PM

Aug 2013

someone who wants to abolish federal income taxation?

That's called losing the plot.

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It's a shame that Democratic abandonment of anti-war has left the door open to Ron Paul types [View all] Bonobo Aug 2013 OP

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mike_c Aug 2013 #1

nope arely staircase Aug 2013 #161

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #2

I find it really hard to be angry at Libertarians sometimes NuclearDem Aug 2013 #3

To many, politics is like a football game. 1KansasDem Aug 2013 #4

Agree, well said! It should never be my team right or wrong! Our team is wrong RKP5637 Aug 2013 #101

I'll stand with a Libertarian on matters of personal freedom and better foreign policy Hydra Aug 2013 #7

Not hard at all for me. Hayabusa Aug 2013 #159

^^^THIS^^^ truebluegreen Aug 2013 #5

Attack republicans, and keep attacking them. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #6

I attack Republican policies, I attacked Bush policies, right on their own territory for sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #14

Amen Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #70

Even the ones adopted by Obama for his Administration? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #48

The "Centrist" "New Democrat" Party Leadership has created a HUGE Vacuum on The Left. bvar22 Aug 2013 #8

yes they have. For the first time in 19 years I don't consider myself a democrat. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #18

I admire you bvar mick063 Aug 2013 #27

Beautiful, inspiring words. blue neen Aug 2013 #56

Inspiring words indeed. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #62

That's when it became increasingly obvious to Americans that LBJ 's claims that we blue neen Aug 2013 #66

Your reference to the daily body counts reminded me that Stanley Karnow, in his HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #121

LBJ allowed the American people to believe that General Westmoreland's strategy HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #119

Excellent post Bvar, as usual! n/t sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #77

"carried into practice for all our citizens" Agony Aug 2013 #92

+ a gazillion, and chervilant Aug 2013 #95

I didn't know FDR said that. Thanks for sharing. Omnith Aug 2013 #97

That is a part of his State of the Union Address in 1944. bvar22 Aug 2013 #105

Those words look so foreign in the current political landscape. DirkGently Aug 2013 #106

40 years of propaganda... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #138

+1 woo me with science Aug 2013 #153

And the Wall Street Dems bounced Henry Wallace for Harry Truman. Octafish Aug 2013 #154

This isn't the first time either Hydra Aug 2013 #9

Yeah, the Tea Party ran on decreasing corporate influence and increased regulation geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

Who in the last 30 years has run on that? Hydra Aug 2013 #21

Shitty economy, angry voters, old white electorate geek tragedy Aug 2013 #53

Progressive Dems did just fine in the 2010 mid-terms. It was Blue Dogs who took a hard HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #123

Blue Dogs live in more conservative, less diverse districts. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #126

I find it surprising that democrats are okay with losing votes to Paul. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #32

letting the Loyalists, of course, blame the outrage against banksters itself... MisterP Aug 2013 #41

In the absence of any alternate, people will chose other... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #10

K&R n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #11

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #12

Only a mentally defective nutjob would suggest that Obama and the Democrats geek tragedy Aug 2013 #13

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #25

maybe I'm a nutjob, but the way I see it, people don't get behind chained CPI unless a democrat Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #30

So, you think social security cuts and austerity would be less likely under geek tragedy Aug 2013 #52

not being that other guy is not a good enough campaign slogan. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #58

What kind of a Democrat offers a chained CPI? leftstreet Aug 2013 #31

A flawed one. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #55

Fuck Ron Paul and his supporters, btw. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16

I think the Paul the Elder has retired now. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #75

He's a messianic figure to that crowd. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #76

What a substantive response LWolf Aug 2013 #104

No need to overthink matters when it comes to those who would abolish income taxation geek tragedy Aug 2013 #108

That sounds like what a colleague told me LWolf Aug 2013 #135

Hey, if you think there's a nuanced reason to vote geek tragedy Aug 2013 #139

. LWolf Aug 2013 #143

Yep, you're absolutely right. reusrename Aug 2013 #148

Fuck this Geek Tragedy disidoro01 Aug 2013 #110

The problem is the war itself. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #114

That door should always be open. Skip Intro Aug 2013 #17

Exactly! What is so wrong with saying I agree with you about this and I disagree with you ... slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #26

Nothing. And I'll say this about Libertarians, Dems, and repubs - Skip Intro Aug 2013 #51

Funny that you say that ... slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #59

fuck Ron Paul and his crazed supporters JI7 Aug 2013 #19

and dumbasses that make he and his supporters possible fascisthunter Aug 2013 #34

no, those who want to cut off funding for things like educaiton, health care JI7 Aug 2013 #60

". . . those who want to cut off funding for things like education . . . " Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #98

or Philadelphia. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #131

You do realize that the president wants to profitize education, and Obamacare codifies Doctor_J Aug 2013 #117

This, this, this ... slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #20

Rand Paul: Any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States ProSense Aug 2013 #22

Yeah, yeah, we get it, the Pauls are assholes. No big fucking revelation there. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #33

Hillary: We’ll “totally obliterate” Iran Fumesucker Aug 2013 #43

To think that she is in an opposition party to the Party of Bomb bomb bomb Iran, McCain. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #96

All the Paulites here should take notice.......... Historic NY Aug 2013 #85

Honest to goddess, Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #99

Yes, and are you disagreeing that Ron Paul is not anti-war? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #155

2014 vote - Iliyah Aug 2013 #23

We did think we were electing someone who represented our principles LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #24

The anti-war left is succeeding wildly. You need to replace your CMOS battery. ucrdem Aug 2013 #28

Oh, so that's why the drone program is expanding. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #35

As an alternative to ground war, drones have much to recommend them. ucrdem Aug 2013 #36

No, they don't. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #37

Despicable, sure. Creating terrorists? The evidence suggests otherwise. ucrdem Aug 2013 #44

Nice disidoro01 Aug 2013 #111

the politicians count on that kind of attitude to continue doing whatever they want. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #40

Drone warfare and ground warfare are worlds apart. ucrdem Aug 2013 #46

I won't accept either. I will not vote for democratic candidates who vote for either gound war or liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #47

Assange said the same thing basically. joshcryer Aug 2013 #64

Post that most clearly shows Bonobo's point! Go Bonobo! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #78

Yeah, I would have picked that one too. Bonobo Aug 2013 #79

A friend from DU sent me a bumper sticker that reads - "It's hard to convince people that you are Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #82

What point? That Rand Paul has no particular objection to drone warfare? ucrdem Aug 2013 #90

"As an alternative to ground war" Maedhros Aug 2013 #133

OMG Caretha Aug 2013 #145

LOL Iliyah Aug 2013 #39

DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #29

We're going to keep defining JoeyT Aug 2013 #38

I'm anti-war left. I have no desire to hop on Ron Paul's bandwagon. ecstatic Aug 2013 #42

Fine, but the fact remains that the door was opened. Bonobo Aug 2013 #45

Will you get in bed with Wyden and Udall? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #74

There is a puritopian element on the left that refuses to give an inch to the reality BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #49

"a fair amount of Muslim male energy still dedicates itself to perfecting the underwear bomb liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #88

Terra snark...yawn BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #94

so the gop wont listen to you and your solution is to attack the left? Dustin DeWinde Aug 2013 #50

Nope, wrong on all counts. Bonobo Aug 2013 #54

.... Phlem Aug 2013 #57

you got it!! Exactly the same way people who criticize American foreign policy in the Middle East Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #107

talk till you are blue in the face, i will never support rand paul Dustin DeWinde Aug 2013 #112

neither will I nor will the posters on this forum who oppose the authoritarian surveillance state Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #115

Who is Al Qaeda? Caretha Aug 2013 #146

We abandoned being anti-war? When? Generic Other Aug 2013 #61

You are not alone. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #67

still anti-war here. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #68

The Party surely did burnodo Aug 2013 #102

Then they left a lot of people behind Generic Other Aug 2013 #140

Right back into the fold! burnodo Aug 2013 #141

DUers said they "deparately needed to be heard" long ago. joshcryer Aug 2013 #63

And the truth above will set us free. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #65

Easy, the old coalition is shattered nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #69

It feels so good to be in control of one's own vote again. Not automatically liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #71

I have been told that both parties fear a voter revolt nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #72

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm Iliyah Aug 2013 #73

then there is hope. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #80

Abandonment? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #81

well they used to pretend to be anti-war anyway. Now they don't really even pretend anymore. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #83

Heard the same crap circa 2000. Back then it was poor Al Gore who, ironically, wasn't... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #84

Joe Lieberman. Nuff said. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #86

He wasn't running for President. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #150

Ron is really hip to the serious problems with the NSA eridani Aug 2013 #87

When has the Democratic Party ever been anti-war? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Aug 2013 #91

it is an unfortunate reality that many young people are likely to be lost to the libertarian cause Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #93

You are so right! Caretha Aug 2013 #147

What war has Obama started? He ended the war in Iraq pnwmom Aug 2013 #100

Easy solution. woo me with science Aug 2013 #103

I don't think there are too many subjects that I would agree with Ron Paul. B Calm Aug 2013 #109

It's a shame so many DUers continue to prop up the myth Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #113

The 3rd Way Dems, at least among the rank-and-file, are either short sighted or too moonstruck Doctor_J Aug 2013 #116

The issues of the security state, NSA spying, and errant foreign policy totodeinhere Aug 2013 #118

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #120

Succinctly written, Bonobo! LittleBlue Aug 2013 #122

Could not agree more libdude Aug 2013 #124

Pseudo-Pacifism Cartoonist Aug 2013 #125

I think Rand Paul is a crass opportunist - I think Ron Paul is a genuine ideologue Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #128

Not on humanitarian grounds nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #136

Its hilarious watching people react when getting outflanked on these traditional issues NoOneMan Aug 2013 #127

I agree, Bonobo. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #129

I can understand going where you think you can do some good... Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #130

kick woo me with science Aug 2013 #132

How would anyone think Rand Paul is anti-war? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #134

. LWolf Aug 2013 #137

"Siding with" burnodo Aug 2013 #142

Obama ended the IRAQ war and has started none, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #156

I'd like a further clarification on "Ended the Iraq war" burnodo Aug 2013 #157

He Ended the war, did you know we have embassies and contractors in Progressive dog Aug 2013 #158

Not yet burnodo Aug 2013 #160

Oh well, I haven't seen a lot aboiut the US fighting in Iraq Progressive dog Aug 2013 #162

Going to? burnodo Aug 2013 #164

I just replied to what you said. Don't you follow the news? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #165

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #144

there simply is no "vision thing" about the Democratic Party these days. At least in 1964 we were Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #149

BIG K&R! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #151

kick woo me with science Aug 2013 #152

The Democratic Party was never a pacifist party. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #163