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Eleanors38

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10. DU members owe it to themselves to read this. She has looked at the "gun issue"...

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Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:01 PM

Aug 2013

and has come away with an outlook not in keeping with the controller/banners, here and elsewhere.

Expect her to be condemned as RW, pro-NRA, Astro-Turf, brain-washed, or just a plain liar.

But she goes against authoritarian doctrine and rigid narratives which are daily promulgated by controller/banners, and she looks right into the hideous culture war that has built up around these doctrines and narratives and has made up her own mind.

Are you liberal enough to read and understand what she is saying?

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Not Just A Novelty Item: Get to Know the Americans You'd Least Expect to Fancy the Firearm [View all] friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 OP

sounds good, financing? sigmasix Aug 2013 #1

Looks like an NRA astroturf front group mwrguy Aug 2013 #2

Do you have any evidence for your assertion? If so, please post it. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #3

Just looks fishy as hell mwrguy Aug 2013 #4

I think astroturfing is more common amongst the pro-control sorts, frankly. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #5

"...Most 'liberal' gun groups..." Then you should have ample evidence, right? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #9

I've asked for evidence. As yet, none has been produced. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #15

There is this whooshing sound HangOnKids Aug 2013 #20

Not really, we prefer verifiable facts over faith friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #39

And two days after asking, no evidence has been produced... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #57

It would be beneficial sarisataka Aug 2013 #6

They would be more effective than the NRA. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #16

The majority of drivers operate a car on the road every day or nearly every day Fumesucker Aug 2013 #7

Making it all the more important that those that *do* own guns know how to operate them... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #14

Being near a gun is more dangerous than not being near one, all else being equal Fumesucker Aug 2013 #17

Factor in that vehicles are not designed to kill, oneshooter Aug 2013 #22

Multi ton machines moving at high speeds under haphazard operation are inherently dangerous Fumesucker Aug 2013 #35

"However unlike guns cars do have other uses besides killing living things." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #41

By no means are cars remotely as deadly as guns in terms of deaths per hour of actual use Fumesucker Aug 2013 #43

A few posts ago, guns were dangerous just from being around them. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #45

What I said was all else being equal being around guns is more dangerous than not being around them Fumesucker Aug 2013 #47

That's the key. burnodo Aug 2013 #52

Thanks for posting this Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #8

DU members owe it to themselves to read this. She has looked at the "gun issue"... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #10

So I take it that you're a member as well? Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #11

A member of what? The essay is from the "Good" web site, I believe. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #12

Yeah, I was just wondering if you had any firsthand experience with them... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #13

No, just reading their posts and watching their programs... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #19

The Balkanization of politics around guns? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #21

So, what do you think of the OP? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #23

I was replying to you HangOnKids Aug 2013 #24

Then your reply is meaningless. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #25

Do you think I give 2 shits what you think? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #26

You came here just to ask me to go away?... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #28

Quite contrary pintobean Aug 2013 #30

ummm...yes? burnodo Aug 2013 #32

LOL I am so sorry about all your hidden posts HangOnKids Aug 2013 #38

I'm not burnodo Aug 2013 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #50

Well, assuming this group doesn't view Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #56

Can you imagine anyone named 'Zimmerman' on a cross? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #58

I'm a member of the LGC tumtum Aug 2013 #55

I was pro-gun control once upon a time. I went shooting a few times, educate myself. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18

Bingo Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #29

Whoomp there it is. Bake Aug 2013 #31

Another bingo Populist_Prole Aug 2013 #49

I'm liberal enough to know that guns are meaningless death machines burnodo Aug 2013 #33

They'll recognize it.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2013 #34

Here's one that admitted it right in this thread Fumesucker Aug 2013 #36

This thread is useless without pictures Fumesucker Aug 2013 #37

#1: ALWAYS FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL AND VALUE-DRIVEN ARGUMENTS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #40

I value the lives of children more than I do firearms Fumesucker Aug 2013 #42

Then help Democrats in pro-gun states get elected. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #44

I'm not on any sort of crusade at all, I'm just arguing on an online forum Fumesucker Aug 2013 #46

Here's another one rl6214 Aug 2013 #59

Way to fire, DU Gun Enthusiasts. Paladin Aug 2013 #48

I doubt that. If someone is open enough to go beyond their comfort zone... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #53

I stand by my comments. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #54