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In reply to the discussion: "I'm sorry that I hurt the United States" Bradley Manning apologizes in court [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)148. I'm going with what his attorney Coombs called it. Let me look up this Worsely quote. He's wrong.
EDIT:
I'm finding a link from Reply #10 to Worsely with concerns only that before DADT was eliminated, homosexuality was an court martial offense, but nothing other than that; he says gender identity.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/bradley-manning-apologizes-for-espionage-defense-cites-rough-childhood-gender-disorder/
And that Bradley took to wearing a dress ad a blonde wig and calling himself Brianna. Which does not prove a link with homosexuality, despite popular culture connections. I'll keep looking. I'm having to read the entire thread to find the comment, I don't see #15 without having it on View All and that means I have to scroll through all the posts.
EDIT:
Okay, with this.
Capt. Michael Worsley characterized the 25-year-old Manning as alone and isolated in his post southeast of Baghdad, and his isolation was all the more aggravated because he was struggling with being gay in a military environment that was hyper-masculine.
He was going it alone, and really felt alone, Worsley said. Being in the military and having a gender identity issue does not exactly go hand-in-hand. It further served to isolate him, and at that time the military was not exactly friendly to the gay community or anybody who held views as such. I dont know that its friendly now either.
I never found Reply #15, LOL!
AFAIK, he's not a defense lawyer nor a pyschologist, etc. He's just an officer with an opinion. A rather confused and misinformed one, but, as I've seen in a number of these links on this thread, it appears officers over him understood he had problems and it was not right for the service to send him to the war zone to begin with.
I know some young people who are fragile emotionally and have been protected by the older soldiers and kept out of harm's way. They still have useful skills. I know one who is vegan and they accommodated his diet in Iraq, also he was willing to be a medic but not to shoot anyone. His wishes were granted.
It's not exactly a gulag for soldiers over there, but we know some have been very abused there, and I know some of them, too. Not to mention what else was going over there in the last decade.
I'm glad we are officially out of there, we should have never been there to begin with, JMHO.
I think we are on the same page, but those who are going to be bigots about gays, if not this to harp upon, they will just outright lie as they've been doing for a long time.
They are going to lose this one, if we keep our Democrats in office and don't let the troglodytes get any further than they have since 2010. It's a race to 2014 and 2016.
I'm finding a link from Reply #10 to Worsely with concerns only that before DADT was eliminated, homosexuality was an court martial offense, but nothing other than that; he says gender identity.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/bradley-manning-apologizes-for-espionage-defense-cites-rough-childhood-gender-disorder/
And that Bradley took to wearing a dress ad a blonde wig and calling himself Brianna. Which does not prove a link with homosexuality, despite popular culture connections. I'll keep looking. I'm having to read the entire thread to find the comment, I don't see #15 without having it on View All and that means I have to scroll through all the posts.
EDIT:
Okay, with this.
Capt. Michael Worsley characterized the 25-year-old Manning as alone and isolated in his post southeast of Baghdad, and his isolation was all the more aggravated because he was struggling with being gay in a military environment that was hyper-masculine.
He was going it alone, and really felt alone, Worsley said. Being in the military and having a gender identity issue does not exactly go hand-in-hand. It further served to isolate him, and at that time the military was not exactly friendly to the gay community or anybody who held views as such. I dont know that its friendly now either.
I never found Reply #15, LOL!
AFAIK, he's not a defense lawyer nor a pyschologist, etc. He's just an officer with an opinion. A rather confused and misinformed one, but, as I've seen in a number of these links on this thread, it appears officers over him understood he had problems and it was not right for the service to send him to the war zone to begin with.
I know some young people who are fragile emotionally and have been protected by the older soldiers and kept out of harm's way. They still have useful skills. I know one who is vegan and they accommodated his diet in Iraq, also he was willing to be a medic but not to shoot anyone. His wishes were granted.
It's not exactly a gulag for soldiers over there, but we know some have been very abused there, and I know some of them, too. Not to mention what else was going over there in the last decade.
I'm glad we are officially out of there, we should have never been there to begin with, JMHO.
I think we are on the same page, but those who are going to be bigots about gays, if not this to harp upon, they will just outright lie as they've been doing for a long time.
They are going to lose this one, if we keep our Democrats in office and don't let the troglodytes get any further than they have since 2010. It's a race to 2014 and 2016.
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"I'm sorry that I hurt the United States" Bradley Manning apologizes in court [View all]
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
OP
Where on earth does he get off accusing Bradley Manning of having "hurt people"
jberryhill
Aug 2013
#1
Don't be fooled! This apology came from a programmable animatronic look-alike!
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#21
Area 51 is a myth. Figleafs are falling off statues in sympathy to reveal illicit peni.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#41
...said the convict who endured psychological torture at the hands of our military
derby378
Aug 2013
#3
Why dont you just come out and tell us your point in lieu of making us guess with
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#55
Oops! Didn't realize we were chatting too fast for you. Sorry. Here's a quick explanation, to help
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#101
My question, which you failed to address was "Why dont you tell us your point?"
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#141
Don't bother. Saying you would like the torturer in 1984 is a clear personal attack and baiting.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#132
You'd have to had remembered the reference. He was a sadistic, deceitful, evil being, not you.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#144
He did when he released the thousands of diplomatic emails, including unredacted names
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#134
This is not prosecution testimony, y'know: it's Manning's defense. Spin it as homophobic if
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#85
Manning said that if he could do it over, he would fight to change the system from
bluestate10
Aug 2013
#76
Awfully patronizing, don't you think? Not as if "the system" is so just and trustworthy...
nomorenomore08
Aug 2013
#135
He looks so gentle in the picture at the link. He's been taken advantage of by 1% shills.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#49
Agreed on everything you said. I read one of s4p's earlier threads and followed the money.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#68
"Wikileaks pulled in tens of millions of dollars a month, but only gave a paltry sum to Manning's
Number23
Aug 2013
#131
I gave the link on the $59K above; the figures pulled in before they were blocked was on a s4p.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#136
Was it you or someone else who said that Assange did not provide much Wikileaks money
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#139
Well, everybody's different! I myself simply adore folk who make intelligent informative comments!
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#22
I am glad you feel that way. Sometimes a very simple statement is very poignant.
PowerToThePeople
Aug 2013
#24
A Typical Day For PFC Bradley Manning at Fort Leavenworth (03 May 2011)
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#93
It's his own theory and the defense has been pursuing it for some time
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#92
I agree. Being gay is not a gender disorder. That is why I am troubled by his defense's argument.
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#147
I'm going with what his attorney Coombs called it. Let me look up this Worsely quote. He's wrong.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#148
Really? I tried to provide links giving some overview of today's proceedings, but if
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#35
So do I, and I respect him for these words. I believe he cares deeply about people.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#50
THANK YOU FOR LINKING THIS!!! I am happy to see the young man sees he was wrong
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#28
Thanks, that is a very sympathetic article. It appears his army superiors are coming to his aid.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#52
You certainly have an ... um ... inflated view of the power of internet posters!
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#88
The real Manning disappears behind his symbolic value in certain narratives
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#47
Real people do, Cha. We don't have the rich and famous to give us cover. Ditto thnx to s4p.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#98
The one which Assange admitted actually shows people with weapons including RPGs being fired on
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#46
In the stress of a war zone, I suspect those who have hammers see nails. As for the rest of it,
freshwest
Aug 2013
#60
I agree generally about hammers/nails, but in this case, they did see nails.
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#63
I'm sure they did see weapons. And did what they did as a matter of course. I found, though, as
freshwest
Aug 2013
#73
Both. One of the suspected RPGs was a camera, one was an RPG.Another person in the crowd had an AK47
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#66
If we are going to say facts don't matter, its not much of a conversation. The illegality of the
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#128
Check his eyes. Did he blink out the word "torture" using morse code?
Fire Walk With Me
Aug 2013
#45
You really want to compare Bradley Manning with a killer like Padilla? Oh--and your expert
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#89
No comparison that I can see. One calls for old people to get off their asses and leave hospitals,
freshwest
Aug 2013
#96
... Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#102
I don't regard those three as whistle-blowers. Assange specialized in mass-dumping of documents
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#114
So, for you, a whistleblower should be defined by what they DON'T release, not by what they do?
Bonobo
Aug 2013
#117
"Here's hundreds of thousands of documents I haven't read" isn't whistle-blowing
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#143
Like me or not, you should take Douglass very seriously: not only is he one of the finest
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#118
If everyone cared about what people thought of them, we wouldn't have nearly as many famous people
AZ Progressive
Aug 2013
#107
Very moving...he has dealt with incredible hardship, deserves mercy and I hope he receives it
BeyondGeography
Aug 2013
#127