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Tierra_y_Libertad

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18. George Washington had this to say about parties (factions) and politicians.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
Aug 2013
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
Democracy is Dead. [View all] kentuck Aug 2013 OP
It seems to me that people don't want to be bothered to govern themselves until there's a crisis. factsarenotfair Aug 2013 #1
Again? WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #2
Zombiemocrats Rule! RobertEarl Aug 2013 #8
9% is horrendous n2doc Aug 2013 #3
I agree that it should be made a lot more convenient to vote. Of course in a lot of states totodeinhere Aug 2013 #20
Booker is not his buddy adieu Aug 2013 #22
Au contrare n2doc Aug 2013 #23
Here in Wisconsin we're arresting people for exercising their 1st Amendment Rights in the Capitol. Scuba Aug 2013 #4
In Modern America, you don't have rights unless you fight for them in a courtroom AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #10
Look how long it took a judge to rule on "Stop and Frisk" in NYC. kentuck Aug 2013 #11
But apparently Joe Kennedy is not n/t RZM Aug 2013 #5
want to see paathetic? arely staircase Aug 2013 #6
Please finally tell us what you really want. great white snark Aug 2013 #7
Maybe we should have mandatory voting? No benefits without proof of voting in kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #9
Republicans voted even less than Democrats. FarCenter Aug 2013 #12
One reason for the low turnout among the Republicans is that it is pretty much a totodeinhere Aug 2013 #21
one thing that might have happened hfojvt Aug 2013 #28
The Pallone campaign's phone calls were annoyingly frequent FarCenter Aug 2013 #29
Publicly funded elections ut oh Aug 2013 #13
Politicians have failed us n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #14
and the surest way you can tell is that their flunkies say all the problems are solely because MisterP Aug 2013 #15
What can the people do? How about turning out to vote? MineralMan Aug 2013 #16
Good point, Mineral Man. kentuck Aug 2013 #24
When the choice is between the Big Mac or the Whopper no one is excited to dine... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #17
George Washington had this to say about parties (factions) and politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #18
Moribund, but not fully dead cali Aug 2013 #19
I wish I were not so cynical... kentuck Aug 2013 #25
People don't vote in off-year primaries. For the last 20 years in my town, the average is about 12% struggle4progress Aug 2013 #26
Corporate States of America. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #27
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