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7wo7rees

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89. ^This is the point of this whole argument.

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:13 PM

Aug 2013

The readers of our data can come to whatever conclusion they want about what you and I write and say.
And now they're looking at a lot more of it than we thought we allowed.
Anyone can be made to look criminal, given enough source data to configure.
Dirty police states have more to hammer you with if they want you gone.

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Lavabit founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, You Might Not Use It' [View all] wtmusic Aug 2013 OP

Waiting on the Snowden/Greewald haters Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #1

The Character Assassins May Be Waiting For New Government Talking Points cantbeserious Aug 2013 #3

I really do not understand Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #8

"Fuck, here comes the police state." Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #28

I am afraid that I don't subscribe to that theory Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #34

Because war means nothing without profit. nt valerief Aug 2013 #77

"logic tests"? You mean like how NORAD "failed"? You mean like how Bush's brother WinkyDink Aug 2013 #111

Sorry Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #120

It took me a bit... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #84

When we got news in the office of a second plane hitting the WTC, my first reaction was, valerief Aug 2013 #46

A number of the NSA supporters Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #53

My friend who I spoke of in my previous email is an Obama Mama. valerief Aug 2013 #57

Excellent anology Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #62

Ha! I believe it used to be called brainwashing. valerief Aug 2013 #63

MAy I add that they are sitting on the same godam bench elehhhhna Aug 2013 #66

Yes, you may. You're right. And it's in Central Park. Thanks! nt valerief Aug 2013 #71

Excellent analogy arikara Aug 2013 #73

Go for it. nt valerief Aug 2013 #93

+1000 rosesaylavee Aug 2013 #104

Yes! "We're, of course, the pigeons." WinkyDink Aug 2013 #113

Great quote about the pigeons Bryn Aug 2013 #128

Nope. I thought of it ages ago and have posted here a few times. It seems to fit. nt valerief Aug 2013 #130

my first thought was similar left is right Aug 2013 #76

someone on another thread with an ungodly amount of posts next to their name roguevalley Aug 2013 #92

while i think there are paid iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #97

Skinner on "paid shills" arely staircase Aug 2013 #122

Mine Was Oh Shit--The Bush Presidency Isn't Going To Be Joke Anymore---God Help Us BlueManFan Aug 2013 #91

and green lantern n/t nebenaube Aug 2013 #95

Mine was "We have an idiot in charge" eom MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #94

agreed..just why are they so determined to push the 'terra' line and why Swagman Aug 2013 #100

Fear is the mind killer. gulliver Aug 2013 #115

I think they already got them Aerows Aug 2013 #9

+1000 nenagh Aug 2013 #13

No they're out in force today Warpy Aug 2013 #51

Hundreds of blue links have been sent already. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #64

Damn it, Cherokeeprogressive! Th1onein Aug 2013 #125

"In America, we’re not supposed to have to worry about watching our words..." PSPS Aug 2013 #2

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4

It's like CU4P (Corporations United for Profit) nt AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2013 #35

Yep, it's now the USSA. nt valerief Aug 2013 #45

So much for our constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech! Frosty1 Aug 2013 #80

This is so true. defacto7 Aug 2013 #127

Read the whole article at the link GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #5

Yes. wtmusic Aug 2013 #6

So are we allowed to call this guy a patriot? dkf Aug 2013 #7

A Patriot In My Eyes cantbeserious Aug 2013 #10

He has company: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #69

I'd rather the huy just comes out and says everything. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #11

It would be too much to ask. It's so sad that doing the right thing is against the law. dkf Aug 2013 #14

The law is obviously unconstitutional. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #15

What would they be charging him with anyway? dkf Aug 2013 #20

Something from the Patriot Act, probably, enlightenment Aug 2013 #26

They would be charged under 18 USC § 1510, section (e) NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #36

Wow. That's significant. dkf Aug 2013 #70

Constitutionality is determined by the USSC. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #103

9 justices and an issue that crosses the left/right divide, pretty good I think. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #105

What are the penalties for ignoring a NSL Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #17

Assuming the Gov't won in court. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #37

So 'free market' is when the gov want you be free. nt bonniebgood Aug 2013 #12

Well thanks for not warning me you prick. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #16

Bravo you win...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #18

It's possible he would have had to turn over all of your communications wtmusic Aug 2013 #22

Ultimately by the NSA, no doubt. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #29

Totally understand why you're pissed wtmusic Aug 2013 #31

This is the power of the NSA gag order, if you say anything you go to jail. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #39

I get that. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #42

Before calling him a prick... vanlassie Aug 2013 #50

You should re-read my post, then. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #56

Re-read mine. vanlassie Aug 2013 #59

I don't think I need - or will ever get - more details. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #60

Failure of imagination, my friend. You are vanlassie Aug 2013 #78

I'm not omnipotent. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #79

On friday, Lavabit employees, including the owner may have honestly and earnestly believed that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #87

It would be an astonishing coincidence if there Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #99

Not exactly what I meant. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #118

I can't think of one reason I wouldn't use my e-mail. Tikki Aug 2013 #19

Not now...but if they collect enough of your email and stash it for some day AllyCat Aug 2013 #108

Well, the NSA has been around for 60 years and I have been politically... Tikki Aug 2013 #119

You are right: we are of no consequence. So why are they collecting our data? AllyCat Aug 2013 #132

Interesting ProSense Aug 2013 #21

These services need to be moved to another country PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #23

Very interesting. MineralMan Aug 2013 #24

IMO if you're going to extreme lengths to encrypt end-to-end wtmusic Aug 2013 #27

No, not necessarily. MineralMan Aug 2013 #30

You're assuming the NSA can distinguish between what's "interesting" or not wtmusic Aug 2013 #33

Metadata. MineralMan Aug 2013 #38

You have no evidence that's how it works. wtmusic Aug 2013 #43

But I don't have a lot of communications with someone in Yemen. MineralMan Aug 2013 #44

I'm as boring as you are?! That cuts. wtmusic Aug 2013 #48

I'm not stuck in the late 1960s, you know. MineralMan Aug 2013 #52

I usually click on your OPs; greiner3 Aug 2013 #109

OK. Your choice. MineralMan Aug 2013 #110

Tice claimed they looked at Congress, media, business etc. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #67

Have you ever seen the crazy list of words that they watch for? arikara Aug 2013 #74

mineral man said questionseverything Aug 2013 #114

^This is the point of this whole argument. 7wo7rees Aug 2013 #89

"We trust them with financial, credit information. The government isn't interested in that stuff." progressoid Aug 2013 #47

The government has access to financial transactions already, MineralMan Aug 2013 #49

So, money launderers are honest when they file bank forms? progressoid Aug 2013 #54

Yah, OK, then. MineralMan Aug 2013 #55

I don't. progressoid Aug 2013 #61

No, but they DO have to have WARRANTS and those have to be SPECIFIC. Th1onein Aug 2013 #124

I probably wouldn't post on message boards either, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #25

Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2013 #32

We/you/me aren't the one that makes the judgement about whether you should be snooped on. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #68

Yes, it certainly is in someone's imagination Progressive dog Aug 2013 #81

I'll continue to use the Gmail account I've had for 6+ years, worry free. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #40

Poor guy the NSA gag order prevented him from telling his customers the whole truth. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #41

The NSA is welcome to read my email bhikkhu Aug 2013 #58

well, sure, then you won't mind giving me your email address and password, right? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #107

We trust different people for different reasons bhikkhu Aug 2013 #116

people like you scare the ever-loving shit out of me TorchTheWitch Aug 2013 #134

Totally amazing ,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #65

Realize the same ones are likely also pro-Marijuania decriminalization whistler162 Aug 2013 #83

really? RainDog Aug 2013 #98

Please I use Google and Yahoo mail. Rex Aug 2013 #72

"This is about protecting all of our users" moondust Aug 2013 #75

No. wtmusic Aug 2013 #86

It really would have just sounded like so much crazy talk years ago nolabels Aug 2013 #102

Most troubling is Obama's support for this "totalitarian right-wing zealots wet dream" wtmusic Aug 2013 #117

Guarantee they'll toss him in jail if he deletes anything. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #88

The NSA doesn't spy on American citizens when they are in a foreign land. Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #82

Right. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #112

And so it begins. The government knows where Snowden is. What more do they need to know? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #85

Sure is a funny thing how the founders erected the government to serve the people nolabels Aug 2013 #121

Yes. Terrorism is such a lame excuse. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #123

They have run out credible enemies nolabels Aug 2013 #129

I agree with this. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #131

They would never be able to implement a totalitarian state in the US nolabels Aug 2013 #133

I don't want to insult you, but to think that one guy with a machine gun can outrun a drone JDPriestly Aug 2013 #135

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #90

It was a failing business/service iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #96

It started to feel like a bad joke long before this happened. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #101

The fact that I can’t talk about this is as big a problem as what they asked me to do. --says it ALL Civilization2 Aug 2013 #106

I think we all know now, thanks to a courageous whistle blower and journalist usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #126