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114. I think you mean ....

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Fri Aug 2, 2013, 05:33 PM

Aug 2013

Aramaic. That was the common patois of that time in Judea.

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Archaeologists believe they've found cross of Jesus of Nazareth [View all] BainsBane Aug 2013 OP

In my garage, I have Abraham Lincoln's axe . . . Journeyman Aug 2013 #1

Bah. I have the actual axe he killed vampires with. hunter Aug 2013 #39

LOL B Calm Aug 2013 #199

pieces of the "true cross" have been on sale by the millions for 2K years.. nt msongs Aug 2013 #2

Over the centuries, enough splinters of "the cross" have been sold Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #150

Exactly. Thousands were sold/venerated in the Middle Ages anneboleyn Aug 2013 #175

Yup sakabatou Aug 2013 #206

Did a historical Jesus exist? warrior1 Aug 2013 #3

+1 - the OP's article is a stretch to say the least n/t FreeState Aug 2013 #6

Yes, he existed BainsBane Aug 2013 #7

"Historians agree a man called Jesus of Nazareth lived and was crucified" FreeState Aug 2013 #13

The majority do BainsBane Aug 2013 #17

widespread scholarly agreement from biblical scholars- who study "bible history" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #125

You could google this warrior1 Aug 2013 #16

Here's the deal BainsBane Aug 2013 #20

they are also saying warrior1 Aug 2013 #25

a separate point BainsBane Aug 2013 #28

it's still made up bs warrior1 Aug 2013 #29

So you think all history is made up BS? BainsBane Aug 2013 #32

I think this story is warrior1 Aug 2013 #43

History- and Science- as conveyed by the Bible are inherently suspect. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #134

This is the problem with responses in this thread BainsBane Aug 2013 #136

A few things in reply to your well-thought out, cogent post. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #145

How do you know there is no evidence outside from the Bible? BainsBane Aug 2013 #158

If ALL the evidence is coming from Christianity, which incorporated this narrative into its Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #183

GlassUnion cited Josephus BainsBane Aug 2013 #191

Josephus is invariably referenced because it's the ONLY one. And considered suspect. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #193

Thanks for the info BainsBane Aug 2013 #194

Those will be biblical scholars. :) idwiyo Aug 2013 #139

I don't think you understand the word "hearsay". Marr Aug 2013 #31

What do you think the gospels are? BainsBane Aug 2013 #35

I'm not wrong, and the gospels are hearsay. Marr Aug 2013 #47

70 years, not 40 years. RC Aug 2013 #52

Jesus supposedly died in 33AD though, I believe. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #57

RC apparently isn't a mathematician, either. Bake Aug 2013 #135

There is a difference between documenting miracles BainsBane Aug 2013 #159

The gospels contradict each other REP Aug 2013 #60

For a historian you certainly chose a poor reference. Wikipedia? dballance Aug 2013 #115

The bible is not a historical document. It contains some real history mixed up kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #182

No serious historian would say that a man named "Jesus" existed. Xithras Aug 2013 #100

Virtually all serious historical scholars of that era agree that a historical Jesus existed. pnwmom Aug 2013 #133

I was being snarky Xithras Aug 2013 #147

I see BainsBane Aug 2013 #168

Yes, they agree someone like that existed. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #113

Julius Caesar wrote 'De Bello Gallico' himself muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #165

Take a few minutes then get back to us boomer55 Aug 2013 #169

Wrong intaglio Aug 2013 #195

No one was from Nazareth? BainsBane Aug 2013 #196

Not at the time intaglio Aug 2013 #198

Interesting. BainsBane Aug 2013 #201

You sir/madam, much like Leopold "Butters" Stotch... whttevrr Aug 2013 #14

Heresy against the church, Butters? Well that does it! NuclearDem Aug 2013 #118

The same could be said of most historical figures of the ancient era. former9thward Aug 2013 #36

There are multiple independent accounts of the existence of Alexander Marr Aug 2013 #55

Please name a physical location where I can see an account of Alexander. former9thward Aug 2013 #97

The Astronomical Diary in the British Museum. Marr Aug 2013 #117

Thanks, that was interesting. former9thward Aug 2013 #148

You bet. Marr Aug 2013 #149

That doesn't mean it's the only one muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Aug 2013 #146

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold Bryn Aug 2013 #68

I think you mean .... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #114

I see a great debate in the future about the existence of John Lennon... hunter Aug 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #123

"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed" pnwmom Aug 2013 #132

unless I am mistaken warrprayer Aug 2013 #4

You are mistaken BainsBane Aug 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #12

Show your work. FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #46

.... WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #98

..... FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #108

I was not trying to prove the divinity of the man. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #109

You pointed to a book that claims he existed FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #110

That article said the author of the book was inventing aspects of the man, WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #111

If he's inventing any part of it... FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #112

It's been a while since I beat my wife. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #124

That's an incredibly worthless response to my post FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #122

Here BainsBane Aug 2013 #10

Wikipedia isn't the source . Gerd Theissen is the source. He's a sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #19

Okay, you are clearly operated on a basis of faith BainsBane Aug 2013 #22

What historians 'agree'? What evidence do they agree upon to prove Jesus existed? sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #34

Follow the links in the Wikipedia article BainsBane Aug 2013 #37

I have. There are no Roman records documenting anything about Jesus. sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #41

You've read all those books in this short period of time? BainsBane Aug 2013 #162

What about his contemporaries? notadmblnd Aug 2013 #161

The apostles were his contemporaries BainsBane Aug 2013 #163

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did not write the Gospels notadmblnd Aug 2013 #166

I've long ago exhausted my interest in this subject BainsBane Aug 2013 #170

I asked about his contempoaries writings. You said his Apostles were his contemporaries notadmblnd Aug 2013 #181

This appears to be a good start BainsBane Aug 2013 #40

Really? First one listed is a bunch of essays about using the Gospels, language, sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #48

Are you actually citing positivism as something to aspire to? BainsBane Aug 2013 #56

No, just belief in evidence. You have provided zero evidence. sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #74

It's not my job to provide evidence BainsBane Aug 2013 #180

I mean this in the kindest possible way tkmorris Aug 2013 #120

You aren't. There is however, a veritable mountain range of evidence created by and for Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #75

heh FirstLight Aug 2013 #5

Damn post a spoiler alert will ya? hootinholler Aug 2013 #9

I think it'll be about who is gonna carry Ilsa Aug 2013 #157

I think they mean "archaeologists" with the quotation marks, as in kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #11

There is historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed BainsBane Aug 2013 #15

please share your "historical" evidence, thanks nt msongs Aug 2013 #30

(crickets chirping) - There IS none. What they have has been found not reliable or accurate. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #54

There is no legitimate, verifiable evidence that Jesus existed. There is one kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #53

The question of his existence and being divine are two separate matters BainsBane Aug 2013 #63

Thank you. truebrit71 Aug 2013 #64

I have seen no provable evidence that Jesus existed. However, I think that there was a charismatic, Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #103

You should probably drop your Cesar arguement. jbond56 Aug 2013 #88

Wow, you sure proved that BainsBane Aug 2013 #90

hahahah jbond56 Aug 2013 #105

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #190

In the same way as putting "bloggers" in the same sentence with "journalists"? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #172

Was it customary to save crosses or pieces of crosses after a crucifixion? KansDem Aug 2013 #18

Stolen, I'd guess. Morning Dew Aug 2013 #23

I recently read something about the men crucified with Jesus BainsBane Aug 2013 #27

The Shroud of Turin has his DNA, correct? RC Aug 2013 #89

Of course not BainsBane Aug 2013 #91

What is? The DNA or the fact the weave being invented well after he died? RC Aug 2013 #93

The DNA BainsBane Aug 2013 #94

Then how can anyone prove the wood came from Jesus's cross? RC Aug 2013 #104

Reza Aslan just stated recently, Romans reserved crucifixion for traitors and rebels Brother Buzz Aug 2013 #140

That's where I heard it BainsBane Aug 2013 #144

I heard historian Reza Aslan, PhD say that only Ilsa Aug 2013 #153

They're all fake and were identified as fake in the Middles Ages Nevernose Aug 2013 #42

reused, I would guess. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #51

cross were reused and if there were nails they were reused madrchsod Aug 2013 #187

I have a shard of the True Cross! xfundy Aug 2013 #21

ohhhhh you going to get it. lol. okieinpain Aug 2013 #45

Regardless of whether the man existed... KatyMan Aug 2013 #24

This the same one Helena discovered c. 330? Retrograde Aug 2013 #26

Most of the "sacred" sites in Jerusalem were "divined" by Helena egold2604 Aug 2013 #207

Wow.. and I've seen the rock that Mary rested on during her trip to Bethelem! JustFiveMoreMinutes Aug 2013 #33

who comes up with this nonsense? bowens43 Aug 2013 #38

The same ditwits who go off climbing Mt Ararat to "prove" Noah's Ark is up there. Archae Aug 2013 #50

what! it`s not up there! madrchsod Aug 2013 #188

They've been selling this bills hit for 1900 years now Nevernose Aug 2013 #58

all I have to say to you folks talking about no jesus, is you better go okieinpain Aug 2013 #44

One can stack a hundred cords of wood with fragments of the True Cross. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #49

It's not surprising to hear that people who follow a religion would believe this bunk. Walk away Aug 2013 #59

I hope it is the real thing. It would be a blessing if it was the real cross. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #61

Why and to whom? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #66

It is a blessing to Christians like me and I would be happy if it were real. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #70

Still not sure why it would be a 'blessing'? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #76

If it were a part of the true cross we would have something of our faith to touch with human hands. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #79

Wouldn't that rather be like someone in the Kennedy fmaily snuggling up to a rifle though? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #80

No! Remember we believe Jesus was raised and by his death on the cross we believe we are redeemed. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #82

Right, but I was suggesting that he wouldn't want the reminder... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #83

Personally I don't think he would mind because I believe he is in heaven. But I can not speak for hrmjustin Aug 2013 #86

the concept of martyrdom is key to the faith...... without it, people wouldn't allow others bettyellen Aug 2013 #137

I wonder if, among all the eager Christian pilgrims in history, paying money Aristus Aug 2013 #62

the old saying goes 'there have been enough pieces of the 'True Cross' sold to build Noah's Ark and Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #78

Well, if its for real the DNA testing on it should prove interesting. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #65

Seems to me the best they can do is carbon date it BainsBane Aug 2013 #67

Maybe they should try some DNA that "most" historians agree is his... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #81

Sorry to challenge your faith BainsBane Aug 2013 #85

Um, what faith? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #95

Your faith BainsBane Aug 2013 #99

Neither do they use Wikipedia of all things... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #102

Where did you say your PhD is from? eShirl Aug 2013 #185

Yes, they do use DNA muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #200

and where, Pray tell, can that be found? 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #92

It can't be found, just like the "proof" that he existed at all...that's my point... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #96

This has to be one of the worst examples of journalism (and archaeology). Behind the Aegis Aug 2013 #69

Obviously there is no way something like that could be proven BainsBane Aug 2013 #197

Was it sitting next to the Shroud of Turin and the James Ossuary by chance? opiate69 Aug 2013 #71

The crucifixes of yester-year, are the guns of today Sheepshank Aug 2013 #73

That ain't nuthin' dusty trails Aug 2013 #77

"we have found a holy thing in a chest" boston bean Aug 2013 #84

Because it sounds like a line from Monty Python? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #160

THEY're NEVER gonna give up thinking they have found some onecent Aug 2013 #87

Looked old and rugged -- then it must be the real thing Blue Owl Aug 2013 #101

Well, that would be pretty cool if it was real..... cbdo2007 Aug 2013 #106

So the "fossiles are the work of Satan" theory has been debunked? mick063 Aug 2013 #107

There is no proof he ever existed LittleBlue Aug 2013 #116

I wonder if there are some translation issues with what the archaeologist petronius Aug 2013 #119

You would be hard pressed to find non "Biblical" historians who agree that Jesus objectively existed Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #121

Let me know when they find the sacred "Pipe" of "Bob" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #127

Or Jesus' hash pipe. It should have drool on it with DNA. tridim Aug 2013 #130

...or THE Holy Colander used to strain the Flying Spaghetti Monster! n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #184

How on earth would one go about proving that? nyquil_man Aug 2013 #128

Didn't they "find" the ark a few times in the past 20 years? tridim Aug 2013 #129

As a believing Christian I hope that it is genuine. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #131

You should not have apologized. Glassunion Aug 2013 #138

Thanks for your reasoned response BainsBane Aug 2013 #142

It is what it is... Glassunion Aug 2013 #143

There's no evidence outside the gospels. And there were several similar mystery cults at the time. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #152

Have they carbon-dated it? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #141

Fundamentalist creationists don't believe in carbon dating, so won't convince them. Oh, wait- AlinPA Aug 2013 #151

So you don't know the answer? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #155

Many Christians do believe in carbon dating. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #164

There's a fun TV show on Ilsa Aug 2013 #154

I see this post kicked up a few thoughts. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #156

A great site to understand the spiritual creation of the myth of Jesus boomer55 Aug 2013 #171

Maybe it was the cross of Brian of Nazareth edbermac Aug 2013 #173

'e's NOT the Messiah!!! cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #174

Aren't there like 20 places in Rome that claim to have the foreskin of Jesus? arcane1 Aug 2013 #176

Helen, mother of Constantine, claimed to have found the cross in the 4th Century Sanity Claws Aug 2013 #177

Call me skeptical... n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #178

slow news day? madrchsod Aug 2013 #186

They can't prove it BainsBane Aug 2013 #192

well here`s islam`s take on the death of christ mystery.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #189

First, we have to establish if there's any wood involved at all, or just stone muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #202

The Romans could hardly have nailed him to a stone BainsBane Aug 2013 #203

Yes, that's my point - the first report is just a stone with a cross on it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #204

I figured they could tell from the shape or something BainsBane Aug 2013 #205