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Uncle Joe

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67. There are two primary ways that can happen.

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:00 PM

Aug 2013

1. If you're a liberal, progressive or even moderate, the power of your vote will diminish over time as more of that political persuasion will become alienated or disenfranchised from the system, fewer voting = fewer in power.

The people most enthusiastic about participating will be the extremist authoritarians, a police state will more or less be voted into power.

2. I don't believe Obama to be the one to do it but when a future Dick Cheney or George W. Bush come to power, as the people become increasingly frustrated over the surveillance state and eternal war, that future administration will be positioned to crack down even more, declaring martial law.

Surveillance state morphs into a police state.

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so what exactly happened with Obama and congress today? [View all] grasswire Aug 2013 OP

I'm sure he did it Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #1

He begged for more time RobertEarl Aug 2013 #2

Yeah, mmhmm, okay. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #3

Funny I saw part of a video of Obama with the Dems on TV, but didn't see Grayson with 'em. n/t Tx4obama Aug 2013 #5

Not just Grayson, Al Franken is now on board as he witnesses more and more of these sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #35

^^K&R^^nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #6

+100 JoePhilly Aug 2013 #8

+++ Whisp Aug 2013 #25

Part of what Obama discussed with the Dems on the Hill is in the article on link below Tx4obama Aug 2013 #4

The most important issue facing the American people Progressive dog Aug 2013 #7

What is it, pray tell, in your opinion? Scuba Aug 2013 #9

NSA spying isn't it, I could make a list but Progressive dog Aug 2013 #10

So you can't cite your own, but you're pretty sure you know mine. Fascinating. Scuba Aug 2013 #11

You made yours plain by your defense of the OP Progressive dog Aug 2013 #12

What defense of the OP? I made no such defense. Scuba Aug 2013 #13

No, of course you didn't Progressive dog Aug 2013 #14

You're reading way too much into those two words. But if leaping to conclusions is your thing ... Scuba Aug 2013 #16

So you choode not to repudiate your defense of the OP? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #17

I made no defense of the OP. I merely asked what your top issue is. Scuba Aug 2013 #18

Yes you did defend the OP and you asked me Progressive dog Aug 2013 #21

You don't have to believe a " fleeing accused felon, over our elected government" ... Scuba Aug 2013 #22

Willing to attack but not willing to discuss your own. LWolf Aug 2013 #19

I don't usually assign priorities 1,2, or 3 Progressive dog Aug 2013 #20

I don't either, but at least I can list them. LWolf Aug 2013 #23

I don't like to waste time since the Democratic platform is readily available, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #30

. LWolf Aug 2013 #34

Of course. The Democratic platform is there, what else could anyone morningfog Aug 2013 #76

Certainly don't need Snowden worship but maybe it's in the platform.. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #83

I concur with your list. nt PufPuf23 Aug 2013 #91

I followed you all the way down to here where you say you don't usually assign matthews Aug 2013 #26

I told you, the priorities in the Democratic platform come first Progressive dog Aug 2013 #29

But you can tell us what isn't even on the list? Okay, I think I finally understand. nt matthews Aug 2013 #31

At this time no because it would be giving Progressive dog Aug 2013 #33

Nice try, no cigar. nt matthews Aug 2013 #40

No cigar, I can't have a prize from you. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #42

Don't really care. I don't prioritize things myself. Then again, nor do I leave them matthews Aug 2013 #43

Wouldn't "off the list" be a priority of never? nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #45

Keep trying. I'll check back later to see if a brain cell ever kicks in. matthews Aug 2013 #46

Has yours yet? Will it ever? How would you know? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #47

Going the Pee Wee Herman route, are you? "I know I am but what are you?" matthews Aug 2013 #49

Nope, I was serious about you, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #50

The priorities of the Democratic Platform are less likely to occur, Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #61

"a drift toward a full blown police state. " Progressive dog Aug 2013 #62

There are two primary ways that can happen. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #67

Okay, if that's what you think. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #69

Conservatives have the strongest track record of disenfranchising the vote Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #71

War on terror, war on drugs Progressive dog Aug 2013 #72

War on terror, war on drugs don't have to be real wars to serve its' purpose. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #75

We've wasted a lot of money and lives but Progressive dog Aug 2013 #85

In regards to the so called "War on Drugs" Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #88

Sedition act, Woodrow Wilson, was not early in our history. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #89

It might simplify matters if you would make up your mind, but if it helps any you were correct the Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #90

Sedition acts under Wilson were not the same Progressive dog Aug 2013 #92

That's why I included this paragraph in my post to which you just responded to. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #93

You can't possibly not know what and means. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #94

Yes because all those other crisis means this little "fantasy" Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #95

Now that depends on what you mean by Progressive dog Aug 2013 #96

I'm curious, how did you determine the odds? Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #97

Just made the odds up based on Progressive dog Aug 2013 #98

No, not by a long shot. RC Aug 2013 #78

Political parties are elected to do the stuff in their Progressive dog Aug 2013 #82

Are you forgetting the election fraud, gerrymandering, picking who we are allowed to vote for in RC Aug 2013 #84

No, but those issues have nothing to do with Progressive dog Aug 2013 #87

actually, adults in business & government do it all the time. all the time, in formal plans & on HiPointDem Aug 2013 #41

Adults in business and government do it all the time and Progressive dog Aug 2013 #44

you claimed that adults didn't prioritize, 'only children,' because adults could do two things at HiPointDem Aug 2013 #51

"you claimed that adults didn't prioritize" No I didn't Progressive dog Aug 2013 #53

yes, you implicitly *did*: HiPointDem Aug 2013 #55

No I didn't, I explicitly didn't. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #59

i have no problem. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #74

Really, since when did Bush's spy policies 'not make the Democrats' list'? Airc it has been on the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #36

I'm assuming you can show me where they are in the platform Progressive dog Aug 2013 #39

Like I said, you need to catch up with the news. It is not a 'small group' of Democrats sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #58

Probably like 20million plus Democrats total Progressive dog Aug 2013 #60

I asked you a question. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #63

Of course you did and you didn't understand the Progressive dog Aug 2013 #64

I perfectly understood your comment. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #73

The NSA deal is NOT the most important issue MineralMan Aug 2013 #15

This is a fringe issue. While we can see the importance of reigning in the NSA, JaneyVee Aug 2013 #32

Denial still running deep, eh, Janey? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #37

Bush policies have always been at the top of the list of important issues for Democrats. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #38

how the NSA affects Americans grasswire Aug 2013 #77

There are critical issues being decided about the sequester - Repubs are in disarray JPZenger Aug 2013 #24

that is correct. Obama probably didn't even know Recyle Green had a meeting. Whisp Aug 2013 #27

Wait a minute, to the best of my knowledge only Greenwald such a claim. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #28

Grayson said the same thing: The hearing was "reluctantly" postponed because deurbano Aug 2013 #54

Grayson didn't say what the OP and Greenwald alluded to. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #65

Yes, not exactly the same. Greenwald is more directly expressing his suspicion deurbano Aug 2013 #70

Sorry to burst your bubble but the NSA issue is NOT the most important issue facing the US Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #48

800 Billion would go a long way toward relieving the distress... grasswire Aug 2013 #81

Obama has an excuse, if his meeting was schedule before Grayson's was The Corrector Aug 2013 #52

Hard to say, but obviously Grayson had not "gotten the memo" regarding the President's visit deurbano Aug 2013 #56

it was an off the record meeting, it didn't have to be cancelled. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #66

An excuse, are you serious. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #79

cue the outrage: Obama gives Dems marching orders geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57

I thought Greenwald was supposed to be responsible for this? burnodo Aug 2013 #68

the most important issue facing the american people? madrchsod Aug 2013 #80

Nothing of note. Why? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #86