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joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
27. Got to love Chomsky, but that could go further.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:27 AM
Jul 2013

While it starts off fantastic, pointing out that all governments behave this way, he cites US examples, such as the example of Luis Posada, but neglects the example of Julian Conrado. States have their reasons for not extraditing, in particular if those states want to retain the support of groups that support said person. In the case of Posada there is a lot of support for him in the right wing exile community, and in the case of Conrado there is a lot of support for him of the communist persuasion.

So I think the criticism is one sided and misses the best lesson to be learned here. Extradition, or not, is all a show, part of the way states manufacture consent. The US doesn't extradite so many cases because those people have money and supporters here who will make sure that they go unpunished for their crimes. And the system in the US is set up so that criminals can come here and it is very difficult for them to be extradited. (In the case of Posada he's used the double jeopardy clause, which came up in the Amanda Knox case.)

It is interesting, of course, how the US makes extradition extremely difficult for its citizens, but other countries who are happy and willing to extradite to the US through treaties are seen as safe havens for those who ... don't want to be extradited to the US. One need only look at the case of Daniel "El Loco" Barrera to see how silly that is. It's all a show, all about political expediency.

I fucking LOVE this man! FirstLight Jul 2013 #1
Notice... Swiss news Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #2
The NSA apologists will surely have no trouble throwing Chomsky under the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #3
Chomsky has been under the bus Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #4
Just wait until he passes. Rethugs will try to bury him like Indiana governor did for Howard Zinn! cascadiance Jul 2013 #5
Absolutely. He upsets their denial bubbles. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #6
Oh, didn't you know, he's a racist teabagger! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #12
kick nt Federosky Jul 2013 #7
Chomsky continues to be an inspiration, and a very acute observer. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #8
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #9
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #10
Every American needs to read and understand what Chomsky is saying here: cpwm17 Jul 2013 #11
Mission Creep and bigger budgets Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #13
Chomsky knows the deal. The fools will be here soon to denounce him. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #14
Could these budgets of the MIC/DEA/ NSA complex etc effect poverty in the US Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #15
Congress is a charade. We have enough money to allow everyone to have free, quality health chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #17
I think they're scared to take him on here. reformist2 Jul 2013 #19
Perfectly said by Chomsky. No wonder he went under the bus so quickly. He tells the truth sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #32
K&R!! felix_numinous Jul 2013 #16
Interesting how the anti-Snowden crowd here dare not challenge the Chomsky! reformist2 Jul 2013 #18
I'm surprised. They're not completely stupid. Or the boss called them off. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #21
They're all having birthday cake with the Prez right now, don'tcha know? Efilroft Sul Jul 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #20
K&R! KoKo Jul 2013 #23
The man has been a spot-on genius -- EVERY time I've heard him speak. MiddleFingerMom Jul 2013 #24
Look how the anti-Snowden crowd attacks Eugene Robinson, but not the Chomsky! reformist2 Jul 2013 #25
snowden is nothing but a traitor Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #26
Snowden is the kind of traitor you and your kind can only dream of being. - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #29
what a ridiculous post Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #34
Great Jeff Foxworthy Impression HangOnKids Jul 2013 #37
EXACTLY!! The price of freedom is a strong state with a strong surveillance apparatus. Only traitors Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #38
lol A+ for sarcasm F- for substance. Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #40
oh absolutely!! If Snowden hadn't come forward there wouldn't be all this nonsense and carry on now Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #41
once he is in their grasp hw has no choice Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #43
all we know for 100% certain is that the Congress, the media and the public would not be talking Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #45
one fact doesnt nullify another Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #46
we know for certain that he provoked a discussion that we would not be having now Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #47
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #48
I've asked this question so many times, but have yet to receive an answer. You referred to some sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #33
dude, in every poll taken majorities agree snowden is a criminal Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #36
You haven't answered my question. Do you have something to back up the claim made re sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39
then you arent to be taken seriously Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #42
And we have people locked up for smoking pot, for years. You seem a bit sensitive about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44
Got to love Chomsky, but that could go further. joshcryer Jul 2013 #27
He's still going after all these years GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #28
Well yeah, sure, but everyone knows that he's just an Obama hating plant paid by the Kochs Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #30
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #31
what do you expect from a right-wing Republican shill like Chomsky? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35
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