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In reply to the discussion: Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here. [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)48. Well, that wasn't MY phrase. I was merely responding to yet another assault on the 'left'.
But since you brought it up, how would define 'left'? Frankly I don't much care about these labels myself, but it's the language chosen by those who appear to want to divide people on issues that affect all of us, so I'm more than willing to use language they understand.
Still, I'm curious about your definition of 'left'.
And I will edit the OP to put 'Greenwald Left' in quotes to hopefully clarify that it is not my choice of words.
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Lol, it's amazing how much some people know about this guy. I think the last time I
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#13
I know. I'm trying to figure out what all this is supposed to accomplish. Eg, am I supposed
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#28
Well, it's clearly not working. I hope no one is paying for this as it would be a huge waste of
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#44
They have the effect of making life-long democrats want to run screaming from the party
whatchamacallit
Jul 2013
#49
Since you mention it, I've wondered for a while now if that really is the goal, because you are
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#51
"There's going to be a big battle in the 2016 primaries." I wish. Problem is that
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#144
Because the Left is always right. And in an atmosphere of lies and deceptions, the left always
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#8
And that needs to change. The Left should never try to defend itself agaiinst the inane attacks
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#216
I agree, but it wasn't MY idea, I'm just running with the latest attack on the 'left'. Call it using
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#6
Sure, but to most intelligent minds that isn't even an issue. I learned to fight fire with fire
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#10
Greenwald is trying to get at the truth? By posting inaccurate information regarding data-mining
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#17
He's a traitor for releasing old information that we all already knew, and which also isn't true.
Marr
Jul 2013
#241
You want a list of Democrats FOR Civil Liberties? I can provide that too for you.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#19
Okay, my mistake. And the Greenwald Left is not my label. That came from the latest attack
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#159
I think from this comment, that you misunderstood the OP. I was pointing out who is ANTI- Left
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#242
In "Centrist," I hear, "No Changes in our Personal Power vs the Transnational Corporations"
HumansAndResources
Jul 2013
#239
Ah, so you practice guilt by association. That's TOTALLY a mark of Progressive Democrats.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#15
Excuse me? I'm pretty far left but I'm not an ideologue and I"m not prone to ratfucking.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#25
your support of right-wing policy would indicate that you are pretty far from far left
frylock
Jul 2013
#116
no, I am fairly close to being a socialist. But I understand politics means cutting deals.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#161
i am a socialist, and cutting deals and capitulation have two entirely different defintions..
frylock
Jul 2013
#164
Where have I EVER defended "untettered surveillance"? That is the whole point. I do not.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#170
Yes, it reminds of Rush frankly, whose constant attacks on 'lieberals' include that phrase
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#249
We understand that too, that politics is about cutting deals. And usually you want YOUR side
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#184
So you want to end poverty but just not in a hurry? And those in a hurry are ideologues?
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#208
So what do you think then, of OPs that trash the 'left' by compairing them to say, Alex Jones?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#23
That OP compared the reactions/methods of conspiracy theorists on both sides of political spectrum.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#26
THAT OP was exactly what you described, an attempt at 'guilt by association'. This one was to point
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#31
And it's telling that when Libertarian trolls post here, their screeds get recommended by some.
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#18
this is worth listening to if only for the first 5 min. to hear Jeremy Scahill's introduction of
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#27
I wouldn't say I stand with Greenwald but I stand with anyone who tries to ferret out corruption
byeya
Jul 2013
#29
Proud member of the anti-Iraq war, anti-Citizens United, anti Ron and Rand Paul left
ProSense
Jul 2013
#32
Btw, it was not I who called Glenn Greenwald 'left'. Did you go into that thread
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#104
I don't think they are nincampoops or gullible. Some imo, are just weak and don't want to lose
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#43
Good post, but I'm inclined to disagree regarding the age demographics of the 'gullible' over
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#77
Yes, I think maybe you got that right. The young certainly do seem to get it, maybe because
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#244
I could not agree more with your last sentence, having spent my early online years mostly on
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#228
I had responded to your original comment but it was deleted when I posted. So here it is again:
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#41
The intensity of emotion re Greenwald is coming from elsewhere. It isn't coming from the Left.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#178
Wow, thank you. That sounds more like a Liberal to me than many claiming the liberal label.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#251
It's from a page Glenn set up to counter the many misleading labels that he gets tagged with.
Maedhros
Jul 2013
#253
You are correct in that my understanding of Greenwald's position is not well informed.
grantcart
Jul 2013
#268
"All material published by Assange and Greenwald would have been published elsewhere by others"
delrem
Jul 2013
#223
In contrast to some persons with the big (D), he never voted for the Iraq War Resolution.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#81
Exactly. Those who would condemn him but not the Senators are hypocrites.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#137
No they would only be hypocrites if the lifted them up as heroes as the OP does.
grantcart
Jul 2013
#141
You want to know what I think? Really? I value truth. The OP did not say or imply he is a "hero."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#152
So you don't think that an OP that is titled: Proud Member Of "The Glenn Greenwald Left" Here
grantcart
Jul 2013
#275
Nope. And no matter how long you make your post, it doesn't make your assertion true.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#278
And no matter how short you make your post it doesn't make the your avoidance of
grantcart
Jul 2013
#279
Your issue was whether he was a "hero". Now you are changing the subject again.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#280
And yet you were a very serious supporter of Chuck 'Republicans Who Voted For War'
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#95
First, this OP was merely a response to an attack on the LEFT, using Greenwald as a tactic to do so.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#191
He hates US fed govt wealth distribution so much that he won't even pay taxes into it.
great white snark
Jul 2013
#98
Well, that wasn't MY phrase. I was merely responding to yet another assault on the 'left'.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#48
Greenwald opposes all cuts to SS, Medicare & Medicaid, supports public financing of elections
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#134
Thanks for your response. Re Republicans hating Government though, I'm not sure that is true.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#201
I love that word 'purist'. Lol! An old Third Way piece of propaganda against the Left that is pulled
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#94
1) They were not the same type of Republicans. 2) Lincoln did not appoint Confederates to his Admin.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#282
we must keep kicking and recommending this till it gets to the front page
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#56
Well, I stand with protecting our Civil Liberties as I always have. And lately the attacks on the
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#62
Couldn't agree more. I'm merely using their own choice of target to respond to the attacks on the
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#63
the politicians and commentators I have always respected most are likewise supportive
carolinayellowdog
Jul 2013
#70
Yes, I was going to make a list, which thankfully is very long, of all the Democrats who
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#101
real journalist real journalist - not the caviar correspondents of Washington and New York
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#75
Me too. The OP is merely a response to the latest attack on the Left right here on DU whereby
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#72
We've arrived at the fork in the road, the dissonance is deafening, this derivation of Democrats.
BornLooser
Jul 2013
#76
I agree with you. This was not my phrase, just responding to the latest attack on the Left wherein
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#82
I should have prefaced my opinion by stating that it was not directed at you, sabrina 1.
BornLooser
Jul 2013
#85
Thank you, I didn't take it personally, just wanted to explain the OP for those who didn't
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#89
He supported the ACLU's stand on Citizens United. Have you read their reasons for
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#86
Can you please post what GG said? I have read the ACLU's position on Citizen's United, but not
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#168
Never mind, thanks to Luminous Animal I see why you didn't want to enter into a discussion about
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#189
And?? Are you saying there is no right and no wrong? I asked you a question regarding
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#99
Dylan and I are on the same page on issues like this. So thanks for the reminder. But again,
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#105
No, that is YOUR claim. I am responding to what was pure flamebait today, yet another attack
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#232
The thread that prompted this one was a dumbass opinion piece from The Daily Banter
emulatorloo
Jul 2013
#238
Yes, flamebait should sink, but that is why it is called 'flamebait', because good people feel
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#240
When it comes to people's Civil Rights, there are no shades of grey. But that's just my opinion.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#92
Who are 'called Libertarians'? I am a Democrat, just fyi, and always have been. As
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#100
Really? That's quite a charge re Greenwald. Do you have something to back it up?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#221
You know, you just called me a liar. I would like an apology as I do not engage in
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#97
You and a whole lot of other Americans. You have to wonder why anyone would not be when
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#106
But..but..he's not a loyal Democrat who rubberstamps Republican policies the boss likes them.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#108
This conversation is founded in the psychological need to categorize oneself.
Billy Pilgrim
Jul 2013
#113
Greenwald: To apply "right-wing libertarian" label to someone with those views...is patently idiotic
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#142
Merely because YOU say that he supports the Paul's has never made it so.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2013
#145
The ACLU agrees with him on this from a legal standpoint. Do you oppose the ACLU also?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#157
You haven't been reading the attacks on the Left here if you think 'binaries are a thing of the past
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#198
I can fry big fish and take care of the little ones at the same time. I am an amazing multi-tasker.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#248
Hi tblue, adore you too. The OP is actually kind of silly, but then I was responding to some
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#166
I think people are, it's been going on for quite a while on Democratic blogs and people are not
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#252
Greenwald can be right or wrong. The attacks, however, are largely dishonest.
DirkGently
Jul 2013
#139
THIS truly deserves its own OP. Excellent, excellent comment! I have nothing to add, and if you know
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#182
Excellent post, thank you for posting in my thread, it deserves its own thread.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#171
Thanks, I'm not sure if that was meant as a compliment or an insult, but you would never, ever
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#199
Lol, I know, I decided to use their own labels to respond. And now I am a fan girl of GG or
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#203
I'll take GG's own assessment of where he stands on the political spectrum if you don't mind.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#234
Of course it has. Every one of the feeble attacks on GG and of course all the other writers and
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#256
Me too apparently, even tho I didn't know it because I have been the same liberal for forty years
Dragonfli
Jul 2013
#259
Lol, I know what you mean. When I was little, I was told to always consider the source
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#260
Why? Under the AUMF of 9/18/2001 Awlaki was no more entitled to a trial than
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#309
Awlaki was a combatant....he was planning and directing terrorist attacks. Under
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#311
It is inappropriate to apply the same criteria used to define WWII "Combatants" with criminals.
Maedhros
Jul 2013
#312
It's not inappropriate...it's the law. Upheld repeatedly. However, for the sake of
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#314
That wasn't the question. Franken has lavished praise on Rand Paul and is his sponsor in the
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#289
But being anti-war, anti-surveillance-state, anti-crony-capitalism and anti-drug-war are good things
Maedhros
Jul 2013
#297
Can you point out anything that is incorrect in that statement?? Have you checked Paul's voting
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#307
And just because you DON'T agree with all the Democrats who have worked with and praised
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#317
Thank you, you saved me the trouble. I see the goal posts have moved, no apology for spreading
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#306
Lol, and the actual polls show that they are not. Two major polls this week show that now
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#283
Dick Cheney isn't a malevolent puppet-master? Since when? Did he have a 'change of heart', well
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#322